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Why the decline of America?
Proa42:
From time-to-time, Paul took advantage of his Roman Citizenship. And finally when he was unable to provide for himself, he accepted the gifts of the churches.
Yes, it is handy to get help when you need it. And when you really need help, you seldom consider the consequences of reliance on public assistance. I know, I've been there. But, it is no way of life.
Oh yeah. Another neat thing about historical reenacting: You learn how to make fire without matches, make bread on a plank, eat rodents, how to bathe from a basin, live without any modern accoutrement, and you learn that when everybody smells bad, nobody smells bad.
(1816 Springfield .69 caliber musket, and Kentucky .45 flinters all)
I love the smell of black-powder in the morning. ;D
earthlytabernacle:
--- Quote from: Fat on February 08, 2012, 12:56:47 am ---When you say, 'creating religious support' referring to an organized church campaign or unorganized support, such as individual prayer?
Our form of government gives us the responsibility to choose our own leadership and in doing so govern ourselves. Paul tells us in Romans 13:1 that God picks our leaders and we should be loyal to them. So what role does a member of the body of Christ play in such a government? Have we not been given a responsibility to attempt to choose a governing body that will support the moral and biblical goals given to us by our Father?
This country has kill over 50 million of its own children and calls it the sexual revolution. This is been done because we, the voters, have allowed it to happen, not because we are under some sort of dictatorship or oppressive government. We have turned away from the face of our Lord and looked to our own flesh. Is it not the responsibility of all the members of the body of Christ who live in this form of government to use whatever legal means afforded to them to stop this assault on our God?
The authority was given to us.
Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God.
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earthlytabernacle:
One of the greatest examples of two sides of the same coin being played against politically motivated Christians is in the 2004 elections between John Kerry, and President George W. Bush. Although one of the men takes one side republican and the other democrat, their voting records were nearly identical. They are direct blood-relatives, first cousins. They both graduated from Yale U. and were members of the Skull and Bones Society. The press overlooks these things, and the general public does not see these organizations with any validity. It is good to vote, and as Americans-maybe it is wise to exercise this privilege. But if we vote pro-life, or against homosexual marriage, and the laws supporting them are passed anyway, we cannot say we lost or failed. “He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be”; REV 22:11-12.
The Holy Spirit convicts of sin, not legal statutes. I don’t know if voting will affect the minds of those who want to kill the unborn, or live in perverted relationships; it may make it illegal but laws only keep honest people honest.
Jesus was born under strict Roman rule. He didn’t even really bother with anything political concerning them. I am not disconnected from society by any way. But Jesus gave us our job: “Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.” MARK 16:15.
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen. MATT 28:19-20.
I believe a moral decline is happening in the United States because of a lack of knowledge (of the fear of the Lord). Vote and be active in the government I suppose. But Judgment will come on a Nation because of its refusal to repent. Creating laws which mirror godly ethics or honorable philosophies, is merely straitening a man’s tie and coming his hair before his descent into Hell. Without the God’s convicting Spirit transforming fallen hearts- by the establishment of godly morals through the legislative process, may only be producing well-polished turds.
Pray without out ceasing! Pray for those in the faith, and in Government! That is reasonable, and far more effective than voting- or protesting.
Fat:
--- Quote from: Proa42 on February 08, 2012, 03:08:17 pm ---From time-to-time, Paul took advantage of his Roman Citizenship. And finally when he was unable to provide for himself, he accepted the gifts of the churches.
Yes, it is handy to get help when you need it. And when you really need help, you seldom consider the consequences of reliance on public assistance. I know, I've been there. But, it is no way of life.
Oh yeah. Another neat thing about historical reenacting: You learn how to make fire without matches, make bread on a plank, eat rodents, how to bathe from a basin, live without any modern accoutrement, and you learn that when everybody smells bad, nobody smells bad.
(1816 Springfield .69 caliber musket, and Kentucky .45 flinters all)
I love the smell of black-powder in the morning. ;D
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I have one flintlock for matches that require it but my choice is cap and ball. When it comes to hunting my Hawken does my talken. Use to go to 4 or 5 rendezvous a year but the years have slowed me down.
In don't recall Paul ever taking handouts from the Romans, only using his legal rights as a citizen of Rome.
Hey I get $83 a month from social security, a system that I was forced to join and will never be paid back for the money they took from me by force. We have a member in my family that is unemployed and our family takes care of her without the need for the government tit. This is the way it is done, it is our responsibility to care for her not Yours. If we could not take care of her I would expect the church to assist us.
Proa42:
When I said Paul took advantage of his citizenship, I meant he used it, as when he embarrassed the magistrates who beat him - a Roman citizen, and, again when he appealed to Rome.
As I recall, Paul avoided taking money from the churches so that he could not be accused of making his living off them. It was when he was in need of it that he accepted unsolicited gifts.
Years ago, I got by on a few bucks a day. But then, I got married. That got me off the beach and to work, and it's been down hill ever since. I've become that guy I used joke about - Steady-Eddy. I like to think when it really goes south I'll be able to adapt. The leverage the enemy will have is with family. Most guys think they'd resist unto death. But, when family is threatened that will be the test. I'm sort of glad I'm older now, because I have a chance my wick will burn out before I have to make those tough choices.
Sure, I can make powder, and live under the stars, but it isn't just about me.
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