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John 10:16
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John 10:16 NAS
11 "I am the good shepherd ; the good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep. 12 "He who is a hired hand, and not a shepherd, who is not the owner of the sheep, sees the wolf coming, and leaves the sheep and flees, and the wolf snatches them and scatters them. 13 "He flees because he is a hired hand and is not concerned about the sheep. 14 "I am the good shepherd, and I know My own and My own know Me, 15 even as the Father knows Me and I know the Father ; and I lay down My life for the sheep. 16 "I have other sheep, which are not of this fold ; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice ; and they will become one flock with one shepherd.
The joining of the Jew and the Gentile. The Jews are God's chosen people and through the Jews the Son of David offered eternal life to the Gentile elect.
macuser:
Hello BB
I see more to this verse, words mean things. Look at the word have,
--- Quote ---I have other sheep
--- End quote ---
He is not talking about sheep He will acquire in the future, He is saying He has already acquired these sheep.
Twice He uses the phrase ' they will 'This term is an absolute, He did not say some might, or maybe they will.
Remember at this time the calling of the Gentiles had not began and Paul had not started his ministry to them.
dan p:
Hi , and John 10:16 , " they shall hear " is a verb ( AKOUO ) and is in the Future Tense , Actice voice and in the Indicative mood of Fact .
#1 , These sheep are not Gentiles !
#2 , Only Jews are called sheep !
#3 , Do you see Paul call the Body of Christ Sheep ?
#4 , These sheep are the Jews that enter the Millennium !!
#5 , Jews are always separate from Gentiles , period , see Num 23:9 !!
dan p
biblebuf:
--- Quote from: dan p on January 11, 2012, 03:25:17 pm --- Hi , and John 10:16 , " they shall hear " is a verb ( AKOUO ) and is in the Future Tense , Actice voice and in the Indicative mood of Fact .
#1 , These sheep are not Gentiles !
#2 , Only Jews are called sheep !
#3 , Do you see Paul call the Body of Christ Sheep ?
#4 , These sheep are the Jews that enter the Millennium !!
#5 , Jews are always separate from Gentiles , period , see Num 23:9 !!
dan p
--- End quote ---
--- Quote ---Jews are always separate from Gentiles , period , see Num 23:9 !!
--- End quote ---
Not so!
Rom 11:17 But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree, 18 do not be arrogant toward the branches; but if you are arrogant, remember that it is not you who supports the root, but the root supports you.
Ephesians 1:4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love 5 He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will,
Note that Paul include himself, a Jew, with the gentiles.
dan p:
Hi , and a question for you !!
#1 , Are we saved by Grace Eph 2:8 ??
#2 , Or are saved by being Grafted into to an Olive Tree ?
#3 , Does being Grafted into the Olive , NEGATE 1 Cor 12:13 , where the Holy Spirit BAPTIZO/PLACES all believers n9into the Body of Christ ??
Rom 11:17 is yet Future as Rom 11:25 reveals !!!!
dan p
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