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100 Percent Proof that there is No rapture (Part 1)
admin:
I receive the following email from mike in the AU
I think that's Australia .
--- Quote ---I agree with a lot of what you have said but you are in error in your reasoning here.
Since the subject is the night and the night relates to satan, this is right before or the night
before The LORD'S DAY. Since JESUS has not Returned yet, the one taken, is taken by anti- CHRIST
because they think he is JESUS Returned!
Indeed when you look at who is taken and left
Some are in daylight some are in night
People did not realise this at the time but as the earth has daylight in some parts it is night in other parts
Luk 17:34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken,
and the other shall be left.
Luk 17:35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Luk 17:36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
v35 and v36 are in daytime
v34 is night
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Fat:
I don't believe Paul Hebrews.
What's your main problem is with the phrase I will return as a thief in the night. The idea of Christ return together with his people without warning is repeated throughout the Scriptures. Can you explain to me help any Christian and go to a seven year tribulation not know that it is this happening? If you were here at the time of the tribulation would you not recognize the two witnesses? And if you recognized the two witnesses and observed them rising from death and returning to the heavens would you not be able to count the 3 1/2 years remaining before the return of Christ? That would not really be coming unannounced would it.
But Unknownservant, that would mean you would not have to keep the oil in your lamp for the return of the groom, how convenient.
matthew 25
3 When the foolish took their lamps, they didn't take oil with them. 4 But the sensible ones took oil in their flasks with their lamps. 5 Since the groom was delayed, they all became drowsy and fell asleep. 6 "In the middle of the night there was a shout: 'Here's the groom! Come out to meet him.' 7 "Then all those virgins got up and trimmed their lamps. 8 But the foolish ones said to the sensible ones, 'Give us some of your oil, because our lamps are going out.' 9 "The sensible ones answered, 'No, there won't be enough for us and for you. Go instead to those who sell, and buy oil for yourselves.' 10 "When they had gone to buy some, the groom arrived. Then those who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet, and the door was shut.
unknownservant:
Hi Mike,
On this verse, JESUS is saying that it is night. HE is indicating symbolically that it is the hour of temptation, which is considered the darkest hour for mankind. It's the night before The LORD'S DAY! At the end of this night, the Day starts (meaning The LORD'S DAY). This 'night' is actually five months long, but I'll show that in a future post (GOD Willing!).
Luk 17:34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
This verse says that two will be working, one is taken (stops working) and the other will be left (continues working).
Luk 17:35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
The field is the world. What do people do in the field? They work. The one taken, again, stops working. The other continues to work. The one taken is taken by anti CHRIST. Why does the one taken stop working? Because the one taken believes that the work is over. The one taken believes JESUS has returned. The one that continues working in the field (the field is the world) knows that the anti CHRIST is a fake and is not the TRUE JESUS, so he or she is continuing to do their work and waiting on The TRUE CHRIST to return.
Luk 17:36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
unknownservant:
Hi Fat,
I copied your reply so that it would be easier for me to keep track of our conversation. I will put a '>" next to my response.
I don't believe Paul Hebrews.
>Whether or not Paul wrote Hebrews or not doesn't really prove or disprove the rapture. I believe that he did write Hebrews, however, I'm aware that some do not believe this to be the case. It still does not make any difference on the result of the scriptures. It's the context and timing of what is written that actually proves there is no rapture.
What's your main problem is with the phrase I will return as a thief in the night. The idea of Christ return together with his people without warning is repeated throughout the Scriptures. Can you explain to me help any Christian and go to a seven year tribulation not know that it is this happening?
>You have to read the book of Daniel. The devil does not come in as a snarling evil beast trying to kill everyone. The devil comes in peacefully and prosperously and destroys wonderfully with peace. Those that dwell on the earth will 'wonder' after him except those written in the book of Life from the 'foundation' of the world. The word 'wonder' means 'admire', which is the same as worship. Those that dwell on the earth think he is JESUS. The people won't think they are in a tribulation, they will think their savior has returned.
Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
The only ones that the devil is after are GOD'S elect. They are the one's whose names were written in The Book Of Life from the foundation of the world.
If you were here at the time of the tribulation would you not recognize the two witnesses? And if you recognized the two witnesses and observed them rising from death and returning to the heavens would you not be able to count the 3 1/2 years remaining before the return of Christ? That would not really be coming unannounced would it.
Those that don't know TRUTH will also not likely know who the two witnesses are. People will believe there is a rapture because one verse preachers told them that, not because they studied. It's likely they will not know the two witnesses are who they are. It would be nice if at least some do however. It might mean they don't have to go through the Millennium. Also, it's not three and a half years after the two witnesses are killed that JESUS returns, it's three and a half days.
Rev 11:11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
But Unknownservant, that would mean you would not have to keep the oil in your lamp for the return of the groom, how convenient.
>The Oil that we keep in our Lamps is The Oil Of Our People, which is Olive Oil, which is symbolic of TRUTH, Which is THE HOLY SPIRIT!
matthew 25
3 When the foolish took their lamps, they didn't take oil with them. 4 But the sensible ones took oil in their flasks with their lamps. 5 Since the groom was delayed, they all became drowsy and fell asleep. 6 "In the middle of the night there was a shout: 'Here's the groom! Come out to meet him.' 7 "Then all those virgins got up and trimmed their lamps. 8 But the foolish ones said to the sensible ones, 'Give us some of your oil, because our lamps are going out.' 9 "The sensible ones answered, 'No, there won't be enough for us and for you. Go instead to those who sell, and buy oil for yourselves.' 10 "When they had gone to buy some, the groom arrived. Then those who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet, and the door was shut.
Fat:
You're making my point Unknownservant.
--- Quote ---Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
The only ones that the devil is after are GOD'S elect. They are the one's whose names were written in The Book Of Life from the foundation of the world.
If you were here at the time of the tribulation would you not recognize the two witnesses? And if you recognized the two witnesses and observed them rising from death and returning to the heavens would you not be able to count the 3 1/2 years remaining before the return of Christ? That would not really be coming unannounced would it.
Those that don't know TRUTH will also not likely know who the two witnesses are. People will believe there is a rapture because one verse preachers told them that, not because they studied. It's likely they will not know the two witnesses are who they are. It would be nice if at least some do however. It might mean they don't have to go through the Millennium. Also, it's not three and a half years after the two witnesses are killed that JESUS returns, it's three and a half days.
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It is 3 1/2 years but even if it was Days it is still notice of His return, and it doesn't matter if you're talking about the (a) rapture or the Day of the Lord the clock starts at the with the 'rapture' of the two witnesses.
Test your theory with the Scripture, it does not hold up.
--- Quote from: unknownservant ---As far as a rapture after the 7 year tribulation, first I want to say that the 7 year tribulation is cut short to five months. I can prove this to you in a later post.
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I'm interested in this statement, go on please.
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