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unknownservant:
Who Are GOD'S Children And Where Are They?

This Study is a supporting study of the Study named 'Who Are The Angels?'.

Notice in the verse and definitions below that God is plural. Elohiym means the extreme GOD and HIS children (angels).
Notice also that 'image' means 'phantom' which is a resemblance or illusion of something, in this case it would be copies, such that GOD and HIS children created man as copies of themselves, but in flesh.
Now, if you do not know why God would do that, then you need to learn the whole story of why man was created on the earth in flesh in the first place.

Gen 1:26 And God H430 said,H559 Let us makeH6213 manH120 in our image, H6754 after our likeness:H1823 and let them have dominionH7287 over the fishH1710 of the sea, H3220 and over the fowlH5775 of the air,H8064 and over the cattle,H929 and over all H3605 the earth,H776 and over everyH3605 creeping thingH7431 that creepeth H7430 uponH5921 the earth.H776
Gen 1:27 So God H430 createdH1254 (H853) manH120 in his own image, H6754 in the imageH6754 of GodH430 createdH1254 he him; maleH2145 and female H5347 createdH1254 he them.

H430
אלהים
'ĕlôhı̂ym
el-o-heem'
Plural of H433 ; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative: - angels, X exceeding, God (gods) (-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.

H6754
צלם
tselem
tseh'-lem
From an unused root meaning to shade; a phantom, that is, (figuratively) illusion, resemblance; hence a representative figure, especially an idol: - image, vain shew.
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These verses show that GOD (The Most High) calls HIS children elohiym, the same as those that created man in their image.

Psa 82:1 A PsalmH4210 of Asaph. H623 GodH430 standethH5324 in the congregation H5712 of the mighty;H410 he judgethH8199 amongH7130 the gods.H430
Psa 82:2 How long H5704 H4970 will ye judgeH8199 unjustly,H5766 and acceptH5375 the personsH6440 of the wicked?H7563 Selah.H5542
Psa 82:3 Defend H8199 the poorH1800 and fatherless:H3490 do justice H6663 to the afflictedH6041 and needy.H7326
Psa 82:4 Deliver H6403 the poorH1800 and needy:H34 ridH5337 them out of the hand H4480 H3027 of the wicked.H7563
Psa 82:5 They know H3045 not,H3808 neitherH3808 will they understand; H995 they walk onH1980 in darkness:H2825 allH3605 the foundationsH4146 of the earth H776 are out of course.H4131
Psa 82:6 I H589 have said,H559 Ye are gods;H430 and all H3605 of youH859 are childrenH1121 of the most High.H5945
Psa 82:7 But H403 ye shall dieH4191 like men,H120 and fallH5307 like one H259 of the princes.H8269
Psa 82:8 Arise, H6965 O God,H430 judgeH8199 the earth:H776 for H3588 thouH859 shalt inheritH5157 allH3605 nations.H1471

H430
אלהים
'ĕlôhı̂ym
el-o-heem'
Plural of H433 ; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative: - angels, X exceeding, God (gods) (-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.

H5945
עליון
‛elyôn
el-yone'
From H5927 ; an elevation , that is, (adjectively) lofty (comparatively); as title, the Supreme: - (Most, on) high (-er, -est), upper (-most).
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Jeremiah was a prophet, and prophets are men in the flesh. If you look at the definition of 'I knew', you will see that GOD knew Jeremiah before he was in his mother's womb, and that 'I knew' means knew by seeing Jeremiah, by observing Jeremiah, and by recognizing Jeremiah. Since GOD knew Jeremiah before he was in his mother's womb, that means Jeremiah had to be somewhere and that 'somewhere' was with GOD in Heaven and it was before Jeremiah became flesh. If this is true for Jeremiah, then it must also be true for us.

Jer 1:4 Then the word H1697 of the LORDH3068 cameH1961 untoH413 me, saying, H559
Jer 1:5 Before H2962 I formedH3335 thee in the bellyH990 I knew H3045 thee; and beforeH2962 thou camest forthH3318 out of the wombH4480 H7358 I sanctified H6942 thee, and I ordainedH5414 thee a prophetH5030 unto the nations. H1471

H3045
ידע
yâda‛
yaw-dah'
A primitive root; to know (properly to ascertain by seeing); used in a great variety of senses, figuratively, literally, euphemistically and inferentially (including observation , care, recognition ; and causatively instruction, designation, punishment , etc.): - acknowledge, acquaintance (-ted with), advise, answer, appoint, assuredly, be aware, [un-] awares, can [-not], certainly, for a certainty, comprehend, consider, X could they, cunning, declare, be diligent, (can, cause to) discern, discover, endued with, familiar friend, famous, feel, can have, be [ig-] norant, instruct, kinsfolk, kinsman, (cause to, let, make) know, (come to give, have, take) knowledge, have [knowledge], (be, make, make to be, make self) known, + be learned, + lie by man, mark, perceive, privy to, X prognosticator, regard, have respect, skilful, shew, can (man of) skill, be sure, of a surety, teach, (can) tell, understand, have [understanding], X will be, wist, wit, wot.
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GOD hated Esau while he was just a baby being formed in his mother's womb. Why did GOD hate Esau before he was born? Well, read all the verses so that you can see what was going on, then focus on verse Romans 9:22. In verse Romans 9:22 it tells the answer. If GOD is willing to show HIS wrath and to make HIS power known, there has to be a reason. The reason is that GOD endured with patience (longsuffering) the vessels (or people) that were fit to be destroyed. The fact that GOD endured means that HE was being patient over time. That means those vessels (or people) were doing something over time that GOD did not like. And what does GOD not like? Well, that is written throughout the Bible. GOD does not like unrighteous prideful selfish wicked people (children). So, GOD is obviously merciful to give them a chance to be born in flesh and possibly come back to HIM.

Rom 9:9 For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son.
Rom 9:10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;
Rom 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)
Rom 9:12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
Rom 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
Rom 9:14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
Rom 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
Rom 9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
Rom 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
Rom 9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
Rom 9:19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
Rom 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
Rom 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
Rom 9:22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
Rom 9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
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The son of perdition (perdition means to perish) is the devil. There is only one named son of GOD that is sentenced to death already and that is satan and his death sentence was decreed in Ezekiel 28 (to be turned to ashes from the inside out). Here, the devil is referred to as a man. That must mean that the word 'man' doesn't just mean flesh or human. It must mean 'being', whether in flesh or a spiri body as written in 1st Corinthians chapter 15.

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
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Notice that the definition of the archangel Gabriel's name is 'man of GOD'. We know that arch angels never became or become flesh. Gabriel was definitely not in the flesh.

Dan_8:16 And I heard a man's voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision.
Dan_9:21 Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation.
Luk_1:19 And the angel answering said unto him, I am Gabriel, that stand in the presence of God; and am sent to speak unto thee, and to shew thee these glad tidings.
Luk_1:26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,

H1403
גּבריאל
gabrı̂y'êl
gab-ree-ale'
From H1397 and H410; man of God; Gabriel , an archangel: - Gabriel.

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This angel tells John that he is of John's brothers the prophets. We know that prophets are flesh men that GOD ordained to speak HIS Words to the people. So if this angel is 'of them' meaning 'of the prophets', then he must have been in flesh before.

Rev 22:8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.
Rev 22:9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.
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GOD'S children partook of flesh and blood. Well, if you take a look at the definition of 'himself likewise' below, you will see that JESUS did this also similarly or in the same manner. The man of war did the same as we did. HE came here in FLESH and BLOOD! The LORD is HIS name.

Heb 2:14 Forasmuch G1893 thenG3767 as theG3588 childrenG3813 are partakers G2841 of fleshG4561 andG2532 blood,G129 heG846 also G2532 himself likewiseG3898 took partG3348 of theG3588 same;G846 thatG2443 throughG1223 death G2288 he might destroyG2673 him that hadG2192 theG3588 powerG2904 of death,G2288 that is, G5123 theG3588 devil;G1228

G3898
παραπλησίως
paraplēsiōs
par-ap-lay-see'-oce
Adverb from the same as G3897; in a manner near by, that is, (figuratively) similarly: - likewise.
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The war is between GOD and satan! Whose side are you on?
Then dump your rapture theory! There is no rapture. Read Matthew, Mark, and Luke and watch for the keywords 'delivered up' so that you will know what your job is!

Exo 15:3 The LORD H3068 is a manH376 of war:H4421 the LORD H3068 is his name.H8034

H376
אישׁ
'ı̂ysh
eesh
Contracted for H582 (or perhaps rather from an unused root meaning to be extant); a man as an individual or a male person; often used as an adjunct to a more definite term (and in such cases frequently not expressed in translation.) : - also, another, any (man), a certain, + champion, consent, each, every (one), fellow, [foot-, husband-] man, (good-, great, mighty) man, he, high (degree), him (that is), husband, man [-kind], + none, one, people, person, + steward, what (man) soever, whoso (-ever), worthy. Compare H802.

H4421
מלחמה
milchâmâh
mil-khaw-maw'
From H3898 (in the sense of fighting ); a battle (that is, the engagement); generally war (that is, warfare): - battle, fight, (-ing), war ([-rior]).
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Notice verse Job 38:7 below. The sons of GOD shouted for joy! Aren't sons children? I think they must have partook of flesh and blood just like HE did!

Job 38:1 Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
Job 38:2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
Job 38:3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
Job 38:5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
Job 38:7 When the morning H1242 starsH3556 sangH7442 together,H3162 and all H3605 the sonsH1121 of GodH430 shouted for joy?H7321

H3556
כּוכב
kôkâb
ko-kawb'
Probably from the same as H3522 (in the sense of rolling) or H3554 (in the sense of blazing); a star (as round or as shining); figuratively a prince: - star ([-gazer]).

H1121
בּן
bên
bane
From H1129 ; a son (as a builder of the family name), in the widest sense (of literal and figurative relationship, including grandson, subject, nation , quality or condition, etc., (like H1, H251 , etc.): - + afflicted, age, [Ahoh-] [Ammon-] [Hachmon-] [Lev-]ite, [anoint-]ed one, appointed to, (+) arrow, [Assyr-] [Babylon-] [Egypt-] [Grec-]ian, one born, bough, branch, breed, + (young) bullock, + (young) calf, X came up in, child, colt, X common, X corn, daughter, X of first, + firstborn, foal, + very fruitful, + postage, X in, + kid, + lamb, (+) man, meet, + mighty, + nephew, old, (+) people, + rebel, + robber, X servant born, X soldier, son, + spark, + steward, + stranger, X surely, them of, + tumultuous one, + valiant[-est], whelp, worthy, young (one), youth.
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Born Again?

This verses says that we must be born again, but born again actually means be born of woman (the water is the sack) and be born FROM above. Meaning unless we came from GOD to this flesh age, we cannot return to GOD. It probably also means that fallen angels that never came through woman to this age cannot enter Heaven.
So, according to the definition of 'be born' in John 3:3, it means procreate of father and mother, conceive, beget, be born, and this is in the physical sense of having a baby.
And according to the definition of 'again' as in 'born again', again actually means 'from above'. So this verse is actually saying that for someone to see the Kingdom Of GOD, they must come from above and have a physical birth through the water sack of the woman. Didn't the children of GOD that shouted for joy as the Morning Stars sang partake of flesh and blood in the same manner as HE did?

Joh 3:3 JesusG2424 answeredG611 andG2532 saidG2036 unto him,G846 Verily,G281 verily,G281 I sayG3004 unto thee,G4671 ExceptG3362 a manG5100 be bornG1080 again,G509 he cannotG1410 G3756 seeG1492 theG3588 kingdomG932 of God.G2316

G1080
γεννάω
gennaō
ghen-nah'-o
From a variation of G1085; to procreate (properly of the father, but by extension of the mother); figuratively to regenerate: - bear, beget, be born, bring forth, conceive, be delivered of, gender, make, spring.

G509
ἄνωθεν
anōthen
an'-o-then
From G507; from above; by analogy from the first; by implication anew: - from above, again, from the beginning (very first), the top.

unknownservant:
Who Are The Angels?

We are the angels. We are in flesh bodies at this point in time due to what happened to cause all of this, but we were angels before and we will be angels again:

In order for GOD to know Jeremiah before he was formed in the belly, Jeremiah had to be somewhere.

Jer 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

This angel says he was one of the prophets. There is no such thing as an angel prophet. Only men were prophets (Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, etc.).

Rev 22:8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.
Rev 22:9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.

Angels are and were powerful beings, and that is what we were before coming here in the flesh. That is what we will be again when we are changed into that spirit body that is described in 1st Corinthians chapter fifteen.

Fat:
Hello unknownservant, how are you this fine day?

Did you ever read this lie:
The serpent said to the woman, "You surely will not die! "For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."

Here is the truth:

Then the LORD God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil; and now, he might stretch out his hand, and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever "- therefore the LORD God sent him out from the garden of Eden, to cultivate the ground from which he was taken. So He drove the man out; and at the east of the garden of Eden He stationed the cherubim and the flaming sword which turned every direction to guard the way to the tree of life.

The truth is Man dies, claim to be a god if you like but you will inherit Satan's lie.

Angles are not gods and man are not gods.
We are children of God but the scripture is clear YOU have never been to heaven and seen our Father.

John 6:46 KJV
Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.

macuser:
Hi unknownservant welcome to our small corner of the web.

After reading your post I expect that you are of a cult (the word cult is in the mind of the beholder) either Mormon or like Mormon, would you confirm that please.

Mac

unknownservant:
Hi Fat and macuser,

No, I'm not mormon and I'm not part of any cult. I know mormon's think we are gods and other organizations have their own twisting of scriptures as well.
I'm straight King James Bible and Strong's Concordance. I think it is also important to know what names mean in the Bible and to understand the idioms of the time.
This is the end time and the Bible clearly states that there will be many deceptions to watch out for, but if you forget what your one verse preachers told you and concentrate only on what the Bible says, you will possibly discover what really happened and who we are and why we are here. Instead of throwing names at me, can you please just look at any scripture I speak of and prove me wrong if you can and if it turns out that I'm correct on what I say, can you also just please accept that also? I mean let scripture prove out scripture. If a scripture says that GOD knew us before we were born and HE says 'I knew' and that 'I knew' in the manuscripts means by 'seeing' us or 'recognizing' us and it means over time, can you accept what GOD says and not let anything else affect your judgment? If you prove me wrong, then you would be helping me, right? So, I must have been led to this site for one of two reasons. One is possibly that there is someone on here that I'm supposed to reach and the other is that maybe it's your job to reach me. Whichever it may be, can scripture be the judge? Macuser's comment on mormons is a typical blinded person's response to seeing scripture and not being able to accept what it says because of conditioning. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just want US to see Truth. We can't both be correct, so one of us needs to help the other. The mormons are sneaky, they teach that we would be gods in the sense of creating our own worlds and life and things like that. I think they they may also believe in reincarnation, but I can't remember if that is correct. When I say we were angels before, it is in the sense of powerful beings. To a flesh man those beings may look like gods, but they are not. Those beings are just GOD'S children and scripture says that we will be incorruptible and also that the glory of one will be different than the glory of another like the stars in the heavens. I know I put a lot of information on this site very rapidly. The reason is that the end is extremely close and there isn't a lot of time to reason these things out by little bits of knowledge here and there that lead to the truth. Maybe I should have posted a verse and said what does it mean. I would like to try that here with a couple of sections of scripture and ask you to state what the scripture says. I'm asking that you state what scripture says only, otherwise you are starting your own cult, or at least that is how cults start in the first place. I'm going to put two sections. The first is Jeremiah. Look at the definition of 'I knew' in the verse and tell me what GOD is saying. If you say that GOD knew Jeremiah because HE is all powerful and knows the future and everything, then you are starting your own cult. I would have to say that you are no different than mormons. Read what it says and explain what it says. The next part is about Esau. Esau is in his mother's womb and GOD says that HE hates Esau. The verses easily say why, but you read right past it and ignore what GOD says. Those verse are intended to tell us that Esau and others like him were fit to be destroyed by GOD, but that GOD had patience. It says clearly that GOD endured those vessels that were fit for destruction. Endured means it was over a period of time. Since Esau was in his mother's womb and GOD says he endured with patience the vessels that were fit for destruction, then it means that GOD knew Esau before he was here in flesh. That means we had to be there with GOD before. There is a lot more to all these things and to why we are here. Please read carefully. Prove me wrong if you can, but don't add cult behavior to your explanations. Don't say something that GOD did not say. If you say that GOD knew it because he knows the future or something like that when GOD did not state that, but indeed showed you the words that it was an actual knowing of someone by recognizing and seeing their behavior, by familiarity, then you are guilty of changing GOD'S WORD. Let's be friendly and help each other. One of us has to be wrong. So if we be patient with each other and only go by scripture, then it is possible that one of us will also help the other.

Please prove the Truth to me:

Jeremiah was a prophet, and prophets are men in the flesh. If you look at the definition of 'I knew', you will see that GOD knew Jeremiah before he was in his mother's womb, and that 'I knew' means knew by seeing Jeremiah, by observing Jeremiah, and by recognizing Jeremiah. Since GOD knew Jeremiah before he was in his mother's womb, that means Jeremiah had to be somewhere and that 'somewhere' was with GOD in Heaven and it was before Jeremiah became flesh. If this is true for Jeremiah, then it must also be true for us.

Jer 1:4 Then the word H1697 of the LORDH3068 cameH1961 untoH413 me, saying, H559
Jer 1:5 Before H2962 I formedH3335 thee in the bellyH990 I knew H3045 thee; and beforeH2962 thou camest forthH3318 out of the wombH4480 H7358 I sanctified H6942 thee, and I ordainedH5414 thee a prophetH5030 unto the nations. H1471

H3045
ידע
yâda‛
yaw-dah'
A primitive root; to know (properly to ascertain by seeing); used in a great variety of senses, figuratively, literally, euphemistically and inferentially (including observation , care, recognition ; and causatively instruction, designation, punishment , etc.): - acknowledge, acquaintance (-ted with), advise, answer, appoint, assuredly, be aware, [un-] awares, can [-not], certainly, for a certainty, comprehend, consider, X could they, cunning, declare, be diligent, (can, cause to) discern, discover, endued with, familiar friend, famous, feel, can have, be [ig-] norant, instruct, kinsfolk, kinsman, (cause to, let, make) know, (come to give, have, take) knowledge, have [knowledge], (be, make, make to be, make self) known, + be learned, + lie by man, mark, perceive, privy to, X prognosticator, regard, have respect, skilful, shew, can (man of) skill, be sure, of a surety, teach, (can) tell, understand, have [understanding], X will be, wist, wit, wot.

GOD hated Esau while he was just a baby being formed in his mother's womb. Why did GOD hate Esau before he was born? Well, read all the verses so that you can see what was going on, then focus on verse Romans 9:22. In verse Romans 9:22 it tells the answer. If GOD is willing to show HIS wrath and to make HIS power known, there has to be a reason. The reason is that GOD "endured" with "patience (longsuffering)" the "vessels (or people)" that were fit to be destroyed. The fact that GOD endured means that HE was being patient over time. That means those vessels (or people) were doing something over time that GOD did not like. And what does GOD not like? Well, that is written throughout the Bible. GOD does not like unrighteous prideful selfish wicked people (children). So, GOD is obviously merciful to give them a chance to be born in flesh and possibly come back to HIM.

Rom 9:9 For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son.
Rom 9:10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;
Rom 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)
Rom 9:12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
Rom 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
Rom 9:14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
Rom 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
Rom 9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
Rom 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
Rom 9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
Rom 9:19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
Rom 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
Rom 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
Rom 9:22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
Rom 9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

P.S. Thank you for combining my posts where appropriate. That was a nice thing to do. :)

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