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biblebuf:

--- Quote from:  fredjames ---According to the Law of Moses, they need only two or three witnesses, in order to justify a case...
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And who were they to make that case to? Answer: John the Baptist

John gave us a hint on what he believed the Messiah was here to do in Matthew 3.  He believed that the Messiah was here to bring righteous judgment unto the people of Israel.

Matt 3:12. "His winnowing fork is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clear His threshing floor; and He will gather His wheat into the barn, but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire."

 But this was not what was being reported to him by his disciples. (Luk 7:18.)

 So yes John was confused, even so was the confusion of the people of Israel. Fortunately the simple quotation from Isaiah was all that John needed, unfortunately Israel needed much more.

fredjames:

--- Quote from: biblebuf on January 10, 2018, 12:35:49 am ---And who were they to make that case to? Answer: John the Baptist
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How about the other disciple there too, who are also witnessing, that they all need to follow JESUS now and not John no longer, for he knows his time is up. Where the 'best man' has already gave the 'groom' to the the 'bride', as bride did walk through the isle to meet the Groom, where two as the bride among many, met the groom in marriage and followed Him. And one of them was Andrew, who went to get Simon Peter his brother...


--- Quote ---John gave us a hint on what he believed the Messiah was here to do in Matthew 3.  He believed that the Messiah was here to bring righteous judgment unto the people of Israel.
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The FATHER of the Groom only chooses the Son's best friend as the 'best man', not anyone else, even naturally in this world, where it is also the 'shadow' of what is in Heaven. And John the Baptist was not himself, for he had the spirit of Elijah in him. For Elijah and Moses knew everything about JESUS, the LORD from Heaven, and both came down from there, ones who visited JESUS during His 'transfiguration', witnessed by disciple John, Peter and James themselves, as in order to comfort JESUS...


--- Quote ---Matt 3:12. "His winnowing fork is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clear His threshing floor; and He will gather His wheat into the barn, but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire."

 But this was not what was being reported to him by his disciples. (Luk 7:18.)

 So yes John was confused, even so was the confusion of the people of Israel. Fortunately the simple quotation from Isaiah was all that John needed, unfortunately Israel needed much more.

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This is not about Israel where they are beginning to go and those already following JESUS of Nazareth, as He preached and taught the Kingdom of GOD at hand. Or neither it is about John the Baptist, who have fulfilled his duty and it is time for him to go home. But is all about the disciples of John the Baptist, who have been all the way contemplating and perplexed about JESUS of Nazareth and His works still, and therefore continuously reporting to John since, even after prior to all that John has testified in regards to JESUS them.

And again, how was John stirred up in order to make a case about JESUS in doubt, as a lesson to his disciples....?

When they came and reported again, and again prior to, about JESUS and what He was doing, and even with His disciples. As prior to this such a case, even telling John the Baptist, that JESUS and His disciples were baptizing on the other side, as in complaint.... And what was John's respond as usual to them.....?

And as usual, exalting in regards to JESUS and His works to them, where he also mentioned to them that he must decrease and JESUS must increase...

You mean to say, Elijah and not John the Baptist, was confused...?

Think again, how about when John the Baptist said, "Here comes the Passover Lamb of GOD who takes away the sins of this world."

Was this utterance 'spiritually discerned', or 'carnally discern' by John the Baptist, in regards to the liberation of Israel from it's enemies..?

Did John warn the Israelite or the Romans their enemy, in regards that JESUS at hand holds an axe to chop every tree that is not fruitful...?

Therefore, was John confused, or you are apparently are, in lack of spiritual knowledge for now...?
 

biblebuf:
fredjames

I was feeling a good debate coming on looked interesting. However after reading your last two lines I feel we have nothing to discuss with each other.

Shalom
B.B.

fredjames:

--- Quote from: biblebuf on January 10, 2018, 01:04:36 pm ---fredjames

I was feeling a good debate coming on looked interesting. However after reading your last two lines I feel we have nothing to discuss with each other.

Shalom
B.B.

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There should be no debates between true believers in regards the truth, and evidently All Scripture = HOLY BIBLE is at hand and also according to the wisdom given them, as accordingly conformed to the intact teaching embroided within, are able likewise to come together into 'oneness' in acknowledgement and faith. But nevertheless, there are and will be debates on the other hand, with Gentile Christians who are proud and are wise in their own conceit, as babes in CHRIST. And also likewise unbelievers who are yet blind to what is from above, the Kingdom of GOD which in these last days GOD spoke through HIS SON.

And HIS SON through to the disciples, who became Apostles, and them through to the church. And likewise through to the church to the inspired All Scripture = HOLY BIBLE and versions put together in knowledge. And finally through 2Timothy3:16&17, until to the present church today in faith, and are 'minorities' to date as before. And they are secluded and scarcely heard of, for example in the past like the 'Pilgrim church' and the 'catholic church'. Likewise existing even today among apparently the 'majorities', we frequently see and hear from, even through media worldwide.

This is because as JESUS said,

"Many are called but only a few are chosen." 

For the kingdom of GOD is about 'quality' in faith and oneness in truth doctrine, and not 'quantity' in lawlessness and lack of faith and divided among one another, based one self's views and opinions instead.

Yes, you are right that we have nothing in common in regards to the written truth and in knowledge, and acknowledgement.

Well, i will leave you with anyway what furthermore clarifies that John was not confused like Israel and yous today, in regards the MESSIAH's quest for Israel. i have not witness John's testimonies in writings, that the MESSIAH will wage war against Israel's human enemies in conjunction to Israel's believes and likewise himself confused in believe, like yous put into prospective in theology.

Because moreover from what i have been given to testify prior, as to verify John's innocence based on the written truth, that he having the spirit of Elijah, is 'spiritually discerned' about the MESSIAH and proclaiming to Israel that day in contradiction to them, even Herod and the leaders of Israel, and not 'carnally discerned' acting likewise with them.

He also said as 'spiritually discerned' from above in testimony, among others i have already testified earlier, and therefore in direct contradiction to what Israel 'carnally discerns', in imagination that day, who the MESSIAH is and will come for, that,

"I baptize with water, but He will baptize with HOLY SPIRIT and Fire."    

Don't seem he is confused even in his last hour, but in discouragement and out of his mind, thinking about his disciples who are still with him. And are yet faithless to follow JESUS, even prior to have testified thoroughly and who heard it firsthand, about JESUS as their MESSIAH and His conquest for them 'spiritually'. As the sent ahead voice shouting in the wilderness, as Israel is that wilderness, in order for them to make a straight path for the LORD.

These are not for you alone, but also for other readers as well.

May GOD the FATHER of our LORD JESUS CHRIST bless you.

biblebuf:

--- Quote --- And John the Baptist was not himself, for he had the spirit of Elijah in him. For Elijah and Moses knew everything about JESUS, the LORD from Heaven, and both came down from there, ones who visited JESUS during His 'transfiguration', witnessed by disciple John, Peter and James themselves, as in order to comfort JESUS…
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--- Quote --- Because moreover from what i have been given to testify prior, as to verify John's innocence based on the written truth, that he having the spirit of Elijah, is 'spiritually discerned' about the MESSIAH and proclaiming to Israel that day in contradiction to them, even Herod and the leaders of Israel, and not 'carnally discerned' acting likewise with them.

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Apparently you believe it is far better to receive the spirit of Elijah than to receive the Holy Spirit. Making the claim that a man knows everything about God is a little bit on the fringe. When Elizabeth was carrying John the Baptist and was visited by Mary, Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit not of the great spirit of Elijah.

We agree on one thing John's mission had come to an end and it was not ending as he thought it would. You believe that John the Baptist could never have the slightest, tiniest thought that he may have made a mistake? If that is so he is probably the only character of any of the prophets who did not at some time falter. May I remind you that he was a man and he was a sinner and it was only the man John, and not the prophet, who made the inquiry. Do you disagree with that that John the Baptist was a sinner?

The rules of this forum is that you are required to backup all your statements view the Scriptures if asked. I'm telling you that for now on when you communicate with me that every word that you type I am asking you to verify those words with Scripture passages.

No I leave you with some scriptures that you should study maybe they will help you find the truth.


John 1:
29. The next day he saw Jesus coming to him and said, "Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!
30. "This is He on behalf of whom I said, 'After me comes a Man who has a higher rank than I, for He existed before me.'
31. "I did not recognize Him, but so that He might be manifested to Israel, I came baptizing in water."
32. John testified saying, "I have seen the Spirit descending as a dove out of heaven, and He remained upon Him.
33. "I did not recognize Him, but He who sent me to baptize in water said to me, 'He upon whom you see the Spirit descending and remaining upon Him, this is the One who baptizes in the Holy Spirit.'
34. "I myself have seen, and have testified that this is the Son of God."
35. Again the next day John was standing with two of his disciples,
36. and he looked at Jesus as He walked, and said, "Behold, the Lamb of God!"
37. The two disciples heard him speak, and they followed Jesus.
38. And Jesus turned and saw them following, and said to them, "What do you seek?" They said to Him, "Rabbi (which translated means Teacher), where are You staying?"
39. He said to them, "Come, and you will see." So they came and saw where He was staying; and they stayed with Him that day, for it was about the tenth hour.
40. One of the two who heard John [speak] and followed Him, was Andrew, Simon Peter's brother.


This trash you post cannot be left unanswered and this is the only reason I'm responding to you. We learned early in the Bible that Satan uses half-truths to promote his lie.

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