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The Church as God's new man, and New Israel
« on: July 18, 2018, 04:42:14 pm »
Here is a recent sermon dealing with an often discussed  teaching; It was from a 2011 Founders Conference;

https://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?m=t&s=1010111128395


Give it a listen and offer your thoughts with scripture.

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Re: The Church as God's new man, and New Israel
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2018, 04:45:55 pm »
Pastor Waldron is looking at this issue from an Amillenial point of view.
 The passage is in Eph 2:11-19.

11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

Romans 2:
25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.

26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?

27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?

28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.

18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
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Re: The Church as God's new man, and New Israel
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2018, 05:06:58 pm »
Iconoclast

This is a strange mixture of hyper- Calvinism and replacement theology, neither is allowed here.