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Iconoclast:
--- Quote from: Fat on July 21, 2018, 12:38:03 pm ---Hello Icon
I believe You claim to be a Calvinist if so you believe that the Spirit is solely responsible to drawing you to your salvation ( John 6). You were taught by God (also John 6). Yet you continue to call on the confessions of men to testify to your biblical claims.
If you believe that the author of the Scriptures was strong enough to lead you to Christ why is He not strong enough to help you to understand His words?
God’s word is what is infallible and it has no conflict in them. Your perception of coming events is not biblical and worthless for consideration. There are still many Mysteries that I don’t have the answers for but they will be revealed at the time the Lord wants me to understand them. For instance it is clear in the Scriptures that the rapture will occur before the Antichrist is known, but how long will he be on the world seen before we can recognize him for who he is. This leads to the possibility of a midtrib rapture.
This is an iPhone pot so please forgive my fat finger typing 😩
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God has given pastors and teachers to the church . Eph4 these men study of the scripture and able to instruct the flock. Your disdain for confessions of faith is without Merit.
You assume that these men who got together to write the confessions carefully studying the Greek and Hebrew and coming up with the answers as you're suggesting that they also didn't have the Spirit and couldn't look at the scripture and come up with scriptural teaching from God.
You know all things?
I see many times people who think now it's just me and my Bible me and the Spirit .
yeah I got everything and yet they come up with all these theories and novelties that are nowhere held in scripture.
The fact that there's a historic Faith that's been passed down, you want to just ignore and just make up your own teaching is that what it is.
Another fact is that they have historically been other positions on scripture,different from the one you currently hold.
which I was first taught was the truth.
I know the in's and outs of it .
I know the whole teaching and yet that is a novelty which didn't exist before the 1800s with the Plymouth Brethren and Darby and all these other things.
Scofield bible coming along later Dallas Seminary I know the whole thing there buddy and you know for you to just suggest like oh you got it you got the truth you know everything is a little bit let's say less than humble on your part.
You have every right to hold whatever belief you think the scripture teaches .
just as some of these other men have every right to think what they believe is what the scripture teaches because the scripture only teaches one thing and at the end of the day all of us have some Error.
I hate to burst your bubble on this.
so for you to just blow people off who do not agree with you and your own little circle you know it's like the people that pray God bless my four and no more .
That's not going to get it done. You're discounting teachers, pastors and teachers that have been given to the church as a gift by God to help instruct the Saints in the work of ministry.
Do you listen to sermons each week when you go to church or do you preach yourself. Well as soon as you do it unless the person is just reading scripture he's also giving his interpretation or his teaching or his idea what the teaching is some of which may be right and some of it maybe contain error so you know you're not thinking out some of these statements you're making. You're willing to attack but without backing up what you were saying
I could just turn around and say to you well you're posting error left and right I can go back and reread many of your post and pick out things the post before on what the church was was incorrect I have for starters so we could work on that if you want but you know the idea of bible discussion is that people can bring in the Bible from whatever source they think has truth. if you're so convinced of the error of it it shouldn't be a problem for you to scripturally show correction. In fact it will be your duty to offer biblical correction to what you see is error. I think the reason we don't see that is because I don't think you're scriptural view is going to hold water and you don't like that someone could even question anything you hold so that could be very difficult for you.
Fat:
--- Quote from: Iconoclast on July 21, 2018, 01:10:21 pm ---Is given God has given pastors and teachers to the church these men study of the scripture and able to instruct the flock. You're the stain for confessions is without Merit as you assume that these men who got together right the confessions carefully studying the Greek and Hebrew and coming up with the answers as you're suggesting that they also didn't have the spirit and couldn't look at the scripture and come up with scriptural teaching from God. You know all I see many times are a people who think I'll okay now it's just me and my Bible me and the spirit yeah got everything and yet they come up with all these theories and novelties that are nowhere held in scripture. The fact that there's a historic Faith that's been passed down you you want to just ignore and just make up your own teaching is that what it is. Another fact is that they have historically been other positions on an X and the one you currently hold which I was first thought I know the ins and out of it I know the whole teaching and yet that is a novelty which didn't exist before the 1800s with the Plymouth Brethren and Darby and all these other things Scofield bible coming along later Dallas Seminary I know the whole thing there buddy and you know it for you to just suggest like oh you got it you got the truth you know everything is a little bit let's say less than humble on your part.
You have every right to hold whatever belief you think the scripture teaches .
just as some of these other men have every right to think what they believe is what the scripture teaches because the scripture only teaches one thing and at the end of the day all of us have some Error.
I hate to burst your bubble on this.
so for you to just blow people off who do not agree with you and your own little circle you know it's like the people that pray God bless my four and no more .
that's not going to get it done. You're discounting teachers, pastors and teachers that have been given to the church as a gift by God to help instruct the Saints in the work of ministry.
Do you listen to sermons each week when you go to church or do you preach yourself. Well as soon as you do it unless the person is just reading scripture he's also giving his interpretation or his teaching or his idea what the teaching is some of which may be right and some of it maybe contain error so you know you're not thinking out some of these statements you're making. You're willing to attack but without backing up what you were saying
I could just turn around and say to you well you're posting error left and right I can go back and reread many of your post and pick out things the post before on what the church was was incorrect I have for starters so we could work on that if you want but you know the idea of bible discussion is that people can bring in the Bible from whatever source they think has truth. if you're so convinced of the error of it it shouldn't be a problem for you to scripturally show correction. In fact it will be your duty to offer biblical correction to what you see is error. I think the reason we don't see that is because I don't think you're scriptural view is going to hold water and you don't like that someone could even question anything you hold so that could be very difficult for you.
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Hi again Icon
First of all I like to thank you for telling me what I think and what I believe.
Also it is great to know that I can depend on the writings and the teachings of the leadership of the church like Pope Francis, and organizations like Jehovah's Witnesses and Latter Day Saints for true representation of the meaning of Scripture. All of course having spent many years trying to understanding the translations of the Greek and the Hebrew so that they could come to understand the meaning of the word of God.
I've always considered the confessions of men to be confessions of men, but then again I have always considered that when the Bible says nay it meant to say nay and when it says yes it means to say yes. I'm so glad that you have corrected me on that.
Now that you have taught me your beliefs and I have benefited so much from your instructions let's not communicate with each other so that I can take this all in while meditating on the words of our great church leaders.
Shalom
Fat
Iconoclast:
Who mentioned the pope,jws or mormons?
Fat....why do you deflect away from the discussion?
Do you profess to be a Christian Fat?it says...Bible discussions...but it does not say what kind of discussions?
What church do you fellowship in?
Do they have a statement of faith?
Do you believe that Jesus is God?
Do you believe the Holy Spirit is God?
Is the Father God?
I have to search out your posts and see what you believe to be truth....
Fat:
--- Quote from: Iconoclast on July 21, 2018, 07:22:49 pm ---Who mentioned the pope,jws or mormons?
Fat....why do you deflect away from the discussion?
Do you profess to be a Christian Fat?it says...Bible discussions...but it does not say what kind of discussions?
What church do you fellowship in?
Do they have a statement of faith?
Do you believe that Jesus is God?
Do you believe the Holy Spirit is God?
Is the Father God?
I have to search out your posts and see what you believe to be truth....
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This what I believe:
John 1
1. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2. He was in the beginning with God.
3. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
4. In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men.
5. The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
6. There came a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7. He came as a witness, to testify about the Light, so that all might believe through him.
8. He was not the Light, but [he came] to testify about the Light.
9. There was the true Light which, coming into the world, enlightens every man.
10. He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him.
11. He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him.
12. But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, [even] to those who believe in His name,
13. who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
14. And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.
Iconoclast:
Fat
--- Quote ---I believe You claim to be a Calvinist if so you believe that the Spirit is solely responsible to drawing you to your salvation ( John 6). You were taught by God (also John 6). Yet you continue to call on the confessions of men to testify to your biblical claims.
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I do think you would be hard pressed to attempt to offer better answers then the men who wrote these documents. If you notice these men are not offering worldly wisdom or philosophy, but they are offering truth based on scripture itself.
--- Quote ---If you believe that the author of the Scriptures was strong enough to lead you to Christ why is He not strong enough to help you to understand His words?
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God ordains the way and the means to communicate truth.
--- Quote ---God’s word is what is infallible and it has no conflict in them
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Of course God's word is infallible, that is not the issue. No one man on earth has all truth.That is why we study, discuss, and debate.
--- Quote ---Your perception of coming events is not biblical and worthless for consideration.
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You do not even know what I believe on these things. I suspect you cannot answer, or correct what i offer so you find it easier to ignore or explain away what is offered because you cannot deal with it. Considering scripture is not" worthless for consideration"
--- Quote ---There are still many Mysteries that I don’t have the answers for but they will be revealed at the time the Lord wants me to understand them.
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Truth is already revealed. We need to search out what is offered. Closing your eyes, or putting your fingers in your ears, does not lead to increased learning.
--- Quote ---For instance it is clear in the Scriptures that the rapture will occur before the Antichrist is known,
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That is not clear. It might be in some book you are reading, but your statement as posted is not correct.
--- Quote ---but how long will he be on the world seen before we can recognize him for who he is. This leads to the possibility of a midtrib rapture.
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This is wild speculation on your part. I do not believe in censorship as long as you are not using profane speech , or being blasphemous.
You hold whatever you do until correction comes your way. No matter what a person holds, they need to offer scriptural support which can also be scripturally challenged.....that is what is healthy.
acts17:
11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
--- Quote ---This is an iPhone pot so please forgive my fat finger typing 😩
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That is not a problem...sometimes I use voice to text and it comes out really bad,lol
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