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Fat:

--- Quote from: Iconoclast on July 19, 2018, 07:17:49 pm ---In a local church setting the elders are to guard the flock.
Many churches have a statement of faith or historic confession of faith to let visitors know what they can expect to be taught and preached at that church.

On a message board you are going to get different views, that is certain.

No one,and I mean no one approaches their keyboard and says...i am going to post error today.

If no one is using profanity, or deny the deity of Jesus Christ  they should post what they believe and let others interact in a healthy way..like this;2tim2
24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,

25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

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--- Quote from: From the rules of the board ---We believe that the Bible is the Word of God trumps tradition or modern day prophets (those coming after Christ). Anytime tradition or prophecy disagrees with Scripture it has little value in a biblical discussion.

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The word church in the bible refers to an assembly of believers. (Strong G1577) Is this forum an assembly of believers?

Should the forum allow the teaching of the Watchtower? Of course not Christ is not the Archangel Michael. What about the teaching of the Catholic Church, can salvation come from absolution given by a priest, of course not. What about the teaching all the churches they claim to be the one true church and claim that only membership in their sects will give salvation. Most of these churches except for the Jehovah's Witnesses believe in the Trinity, but their gospel is not the gospel that Paul taught.

Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

I have said it many times that political correctness is a cancer in the Church as well as the Nation.

Iconoclast:
So....if a RC comes in and offers his sincere beliefs of a works based salvation....he is not going to hurt us. We then have an opportunity to offer correct teachings on grace...
Same with a trinity denying cultist. They also are devoid of the Holy Spirit so we are once again called upon to speak the truth of the gospel towards their damnation, or their salvation.
2 cor :14-17

Fat:

--- Quote from: Iconoclast on July 20, 2018, 12:21:35 pm ---So....if a RC comes in and offers his sincere beliefs of a works based salvation....he is not going to hurt us. We then have an opportunity to offer correct teachings on grace...
Same with a trinity denying cultist. They also are devoid of the Holy Spirit so we are once again called upon to speak the truth of the gospel towards their damnation, or their salvation.
2 cor :14-17

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That's not at all what is being said here. You always give the gospel to anyone willing to listen, but there are those unwilling to listen and are only here to obstruct the truth. Christ called the Pharisees for what they were, he didn't play nice to anyone who is not willing to listen. When he was asked by a Pharisee about his preachings he explained the gospel and the rebirth, but he did not argue his teachings with those who did not want to understand them or even listen to them.

If you surf around on this form you find many threads with those were unwilling to listen but only want to spread their faults truth. Eventually those threads are shut down, some are even eliminated. You being a good Calvinist you know that God's elect will hear His calling and they will respond to his word.

And if any place will not welcome you or listen to you, leave that place and shake the dust off your feet as a testimony against them.

I have no idea what your salvation message is because you seem to be focused on one issue, it is not a issue of salvation so it really doesn't bother me one way or another. If it appears that your Jesus is not my Jesus then I will take issue with you. But as far as your debate that you are trying to stoke here about the kingdom concerning the rapture, you are wrong and you are misrepresenting what the Scriptures are actually teaching. I think what you're going to find here on this forum that you will be talking to yourself, and if you preach replacement theology you will probably find your post being deleted.

Iconoclast:
Fat,
Thanks for your response. Although the topic is on divisions you went to several areas of discussion.

You mentioned  about previous posters who were...unwilling  to listen.

Listen to who? You? Are you the fountain of all biblical knowledge?
Is there any area of doctrine that  you have changed your position on?
You assert things saying things like.....you are wrong. Yet, I have not seen you actually deal direct with any scripture and offer your point of view.
Is it possible....you are wrong? Are you infallible in your views? You have not spoken about the issues you seem to be questioning me on.
I think I can deal with whatever you have to offer.
I would like if you use the Scripture to discuss these things...not just offer random thoughts that are questionable speculation.

Fat:

--- Quote from: Iconoclast on July 21, 2018, 10:28:50 am ---Fat,
Thanks for your response. Although the topic is on divisions you went to several areas of discussion.

You mentioned  about previous posters who were...unwilling  to listen.

Listen to who? You? Are you the fountain of all biblical knowledge?
Is there any area of doctrine that  you have changed your position on?
You assert things saying things like.....you are wrong. Yet, I have not seen you actually deal direct with any scripture and offer your point of view.
Is it possible....you are wrong? Are you infallible in your views? You have not spoken about the issues you seem to be questioning me on.
I think I can deal with whatever you have to offer.
I would like if you use the Scripture to discuss these things...not just offer random thoughts that are questionable speculation.

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Hello Icon
I believe You claim to be a Calvinist if so you believe that the Spirit is solely responsible to drawing you to your salvation ( John 6). You were taught by God (also John 6). Yet you continue to call on the confessions of men to testify to your biblical claims.

If you believe that the author of the Scriptures was strong enough to lead you to Christ why is He not strong enough to help you to understand His words?

God’s word is what is infallible and it has no conflict in them. Your perception of coming events is not biblical and worthless for consideration. There are still many Mysteries that I don’t have the answers for but they will be revealed at the time the Lord wants me to understand them. For instance it is clear in the Scriptures that the rapture will occur before the Antichrist is known, but how long will he be on the world seen before we can recognize him for who he is. This leads to the possibility of a midtrib rapture.

This is an iPhone pot so please forgive my fat finger typing 😩

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