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Did Peter and Paul preach the same gospel?
Fat:
--- Quote from: thorndale on April 04, 2019, 07:47:27 am ---IMHO, Peter and Paul preached to two different assemblies therefore they preached different messages?
Peter was a Jew, steeped in the law and preached a simple message, Jesus was the Christ, the promised Messiah! I guess you could argue that that message is in fact the Gospel (AKA the Good News )
Paul on the other hand preached the age of Grace and the finished work on the cross. Paul's version of the Gospel ( AKA The Good News ) was that salvation was accomplished by believing in the Birth, Death and Resurrection of Jesus!
As far as I understand it, the finished work of the cross was hidden from the Apostles and the main thrust of their teaching was that Jesus was the Christ, the prophesied one from the scriptures along with their understanding of the Law?
Personally, this has opened up another question for me? A question I have come up with an acceptable answer for myself, but I would be interested in other opinions? The question is, as Paul teaches in his version of the Gospel, belief that the birth, death and resurrection of Jesus ( the finished work on the cross and Christ victory over death ) is required for salvation, where does that leave a person who simply confesses their belief in Jesus?
John
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Hi John,
“Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’”
MATTHEW 7:22 NASB
And as to your question to BB, what is the baptism given by Christ?
Hal:
--- Quote from: thorndale on April 05, 2019, 08:31:30 am ---Thanks, Your reply is very interesting but raises a few questions for me?
In all your quotes by Peter, correct me if I am missing something but in every case, something else is required for the forgiveness of sin? Baptism etc?
Paul preaches that for the forgiveness of sin the requirement is faith + nothing?
Regarding belief for salvation, your example was repentance which is a far greater requirement than just belief? My understanding is that during the age of law which preceded the age of grace, In most cases just faith was sufficient for salvation? An example could be that Abram was saved by faith and Peter by belief that Jesus was the Christ, the Messiah? The death and Resurrection was intentionally hidden from them?
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Baptism is not a function of the person being baptized, even water baptism is a function of a third party. The only thing the water baptize satisfies is “that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;”ROMANS 10:9 NASB. Even though I believe that Paul was telling us never to deny Christ. Even those that can’t speak can be saved. If water baptism was required for salvation a person surrounded by only non believers could never be saved. Salvation is the work of the Holy Spirit.
JB Horn:
Two Gospels
The Apostle Peter’s and The Apostle Paul’s
by Steve Santini
In the development of the first century church there were two gospels. The first gospel was that of the apostle Peter and the eleven other apostles. The second gospel was that of the apostle Paul and others who were, in time, raised up to teach this gospel with Paul. It seems to this author that the simplest and most effective manner in which to communicate this subject is to list corresponding differences in these two gospels with a concluding commentary.
Peter’s gospel was a reiteration of all Jesus said and did while in the world. It is supported by the Holy Spirit through its gift to the souls of those who believe.
Paul’s gospel was a revelation through the Spirit of Christ from the ascended Lord seated at the right hand of the Father.
Peter’s gospel is a continuation from the beginning when man was made a living soul.
Paul’s gospel has its beginnings before the foundations of the world in the generation of the mystery of the Spirit of Christ. (This Spirit of Christ was known as the Spirit of Truth in John's gospel.)
Peter’s gospel comes from his acquired faith.
Paul’s gospel comes from his gifted inherent faith.
Peter’s gospel is from the Holy Spirit comforter.
Paul’s gospel is from the subsequent Spirit of Truth comforter.
Peter’s gospel is the foundation for the household of God.
Paul’s gospel is the edifice of the household of God.
Peter’s gospel holds the keys to the kingdom of God.
Paul’s gospel reveals the kingdom of God.
Peter’s gospel is one of entrance.
Paul’s gospel is one of establishment.
Peter’s gospel begins in spiritual power.
Paul’s gospel ends in spiritual understanding.
Peter’s gospel ministers to the children coming into the family of God.
Paul’s gospel brings the family of God unto maturity.
Paul was a saint
Peter became one faithful in Christ Jesus
Peter’s gospel raised Paul up unto the revelation from Jesus Christ. Peter’s foundational gospel was preached by Paul when he first went into a new area to establish a church. Before Peter completely relinquished his misdirected loyalty to Jewish supremacy in the church, he resisted Paul’s revelation where there was no difference between Jew and Gentile. Paul’s gospel was never preached by Peter. In his last epistle written near the end of his life, Peter acknowledged the validity of Paul’s gospel by stating Paul had written the same things yet in a different manner.
In Paul’s ministration these two gospels came together as the one contiguous gospel for the growth of the household of God.
Commentary: In the epistle to the Ephesians, Paul makes evident the sources of these two gospels. In Ephesians 2:20 he writes to the faithful in Christ Jesus:
And (ye) are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone.
Then in Ephesians 3:4,5 he writes:
Whereby when you read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ, which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets.
Paul used words very purposefully. Notice this difference between verses 2:20 and 3:5. The foundation came from apostles and prophets while the mystery was revealed to “holy” apostles and prophets. There is a difference between “apostles and prophets” and “holy apostles and prophets.” Understanding this difference leads to the revelation of the great mystery given to the apostle Paul.
thorndale:
I respect your opinion and research into the question about the Gospels of Peter and Paul. I agree that they were two different Gospels, my question is that you make no mention that......
For me and simply stated..............
Peter preached the Gospel combined with the Law ( The age of the law and the Jewish only believers ) since he was a Jew and steeped in the law! The death and resurrection of Jesus and the finished work of the cross, for God's own reason, was originally kept hidden from Peter and the Apostles. Peters Gospel was for Jews only until His encounter with Cornelius, a Gentile and Cornelius family and friends.
Paul on the other hand preached a Gospel for all people including Jews and Gentiles as revealed to Him in Arabia, the Gospel of Grace! ( The age of Grace and the Church as started in Antioch, AKA the Bride of Christ ) Paul's Gospel was mainly the birth, death & resurrection of Jesus and the finished work of Jesus on the cross! Salvation was based on Faith in this + nothing!
Maybe you agree and I just missed it?
A brother in Christ
John
JB Horn:
--- Quote from: thorndale on April 08, 2019, 09:26:41 am ---I respect your opinion and research into the question about the Gospels of Peter and Paul. I agree that they were two different Gospels, my question is that you make no mention that......
For me and simply stated..............
Peter preached the Gospel combined with the Law ( The age of the law and the Jewish only believers ) since he was a Jew and steeped in the law! The death and resurrection of Jesus and the finished work of the cross, for God's own reason, was originally kept hidden from Peter and the Apostles. Peters Gospel was for Jews only until His encounter with Cornelius, a Gentile and Cornelius family and friends.
Paul on the other hand preached a Gospel for all people including Jews and Gentiles as revealed to Him in Arabia, the Gospel of Grace! ( The age of Grace and the Church as started in Antioch, AKA the Bride of Christ ) Paul's Gospel was mainly the birth, death & resurrection of Jesus and the finished work of Jesus on the cross! Salvation was based on Faith in this + nothing!
Maybe you agree and I just missed it?
A brother in Christ
John
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Brother John,
One gospel, preached to two peoples. GRACE
John 14:6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." And just to make it more confusing, John 6:65. And He(Jesus) was saying, "For this reason I have said to you, that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father."
It is all about Grace, Paul put it best in Ephesians:
Ephesians 1:4. just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love
5. He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will,
6. to the praise of the glory of His grace, which He freely bestowed on us in the Beloved.
7. In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace
Peter and the Apostles preached the Good News in a deferent way then Paul but the audiences must come to the same conclusion. There is no salvation in the law or in mans works.
There are many churches today but few are chosen for the wedding feast. Matthew 22:14.
In His Service
JB
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