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SIN LAID ON JESUS - Isaiah 53:6

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Isaiah9Six:
It is I that am saying that Christ took responsibility for our sins. I'm not referring to anyone saying that perhaps I was not very clear. I am however saying that minister Spurgeon is saying that Jesus was punished in our stead. Read the quote;


--- Quote from: Moss on December 22, 2018, 06:52:28 pm ---4. I beg you to observe in the fourth place, that lying upon Christ brought upon Him all the consequences connected with it. God cannot look where there is sin with any pleasure. And though as far as Jesus is personally concerned, He is the Father’s beloved Son in whom He is well pleased, yet when He saw sin laid upon His Son, He made that Son cry, “My God! My God! Why have You forsaken Me?”
It was not possible that Jesus should enjoy the light of His Father’s Presence while He was made sin for us. Consequently He went through a horror of great darkness, the root and source of which was the withdrawing of the conscious enjoyment of His Father’s Presence. More than that, not only was light withdrawn, but positive sorrow was inflicted. God must punish sin, and though the sin was not Christ’s by His actually doing it, yet it was laid upon Him and therefore He was made a curse for us.

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That he substituted his righteousness for our sin by taking the punishment due us and giving us his righteousness is not taught anywhere in the bible. If Christ used his righteousness to not only save you but all of mankind that would be universal salvation and we know that all men are not saved. This was the conclusion that Calvin had to wrestle with when he came up with unlimited election. So rather than say all men are saved he came up with limited atonement saying that the elect of God are the saved and the rest will be lost.

Consider what I say.....

Moss:

--- Quote from: Isaiah9Six on December 24, 2018, 10:12:45 am ---It is I that am saying that Christ took responsibility for our sins. I'm not referring to anyone saying that perhaps I was not very clear. I am however saying that minister Spurgeon is saying that Jesus was punished in our stead. Read the quote;

That he substituted his righteousness for our sin by taking the punishment due us and giving us his righteousness is not taught anywhere in the bible. If Christ used his righteousness to not only save you but all of mankind that would be universal salvation and we know that all men are not saved. This was the conclusion that Calvin had to wrestle with when he came up with unlimited election. So rather than say all men are saved he came up with limited atonement saying that the elect of God are the saved and the rest will be lost.

Consider what I say.....

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--- Quote ---That he substituted his righteousness for our sin by taking the punishment due us and giving us his righteousness
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I did not say substitute, I said used His because I had none. ( the unblemished Lamb )


--- Quote ---If Christ used his righteousness to not only save you but all of mankind that would be universal salvation and we know that all men are not saved.
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I don't believe I said anything close to that, if I was misunderstood I am sorry.


--- Quote ---God must punish sin, and though the sin was not Christ’s by His actually doing it, yet it was laid upon Him and therefore He was made a curse for us.
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God must punish sin absolutely or else He would not be Just.

He was made a curse for us. understand this is an act of love not Christ being punished. Christ is not a whipping boy, in fact He is the opposite, it was the Crown Prince that because of His love for YOU He took your lashes, this is a total act of love not an act of receiving punishment.



--- Quote ---So rather than say all men are saved he came up with limited atonement saying that the elect of God are the saved and the rest will be lost.
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Actually it was not Calvin that first peached God's sovereignty.



Isaiah 46:9-11
9. "Remember the former things long past, For I am God, and there is no other; [I am] God, and there is no one like Me,
10. Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things which have not been done, Saying, 'My purpose will be established, And I will accomplish all My good pleasure';
11. Calling a bird of prey from the east, The man of My purpose from a far country. Truly I have spoken; truly I will bring it to pass. I have planned [it, surely] I will do it.


Psalm 115:3
3. But our God is in the heavens; He does whatever He pleases.


Daniel 4:35
35. "All the inhabitants of the earth are accounted as nothing, But He does according to His will in the host of heaven And [among] the inhabitants of earth; And no one can ward off His hand Or say to Him, 'What have You done?'


Romans 9:20
20. On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, "Why did you make me like this," will it?


Ephesians 1:3-7
3. Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly [places] in Christ,
4. just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love
5. He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will,
6. to the praise of the glory of His grace, which He freely bestowed on us in the Beloved.
7. In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace

Ephesians 1:11
11. also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will,

Merry Christmas a day that man has chosen to celebrate Jesse birth, John 1:14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Moss

Isaiah9Six:
Merry Christmas to you also Moss. I truly enjoy bible discussion and feel blessed to have met another who has that same passion.

Darrel

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