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Loving Jesus enough to obey Him ensures salvation
BCsenior:
biblebuf,
Your verses are on one side of the aisle.
My verses are on the other side of the aisle.
IMO, many of your verses are misunderstood.
One example for you ponder ...
All of those promises, etc. in Ephesians and Colossians
were written by Paul to "the faithful", not to the unfaithful.
Would you like to see any of the following?
Many NT verses prove each of these spiritual truths:
Believers stay righteous by practicing righteousness
Believers stay righteous through their obedience
Believers faith must endure until the end of their lives
Believers keep salvation by repenting of their sins
Believers were chosen and called to live holy lives
Believers must love, forgive, not judge or condemn
Believers must be victorious overcomers
One full page of Scripture verses is available
for almost every one of the above topics.
biblebuf:
--- Quote ---Your verses are on one side of the aisle.
My verses are on the other side of the aisle.
--- End quote ---
2 Timothy 2:13
If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself.
--- Quote ---IMO, many of your verses are misunderstood.
One example for you ponder ...
All of those promises, etc. in Ephesians and Colossians
were written by Paul to "the faithful", not to the unfaithful.
--- End quote ---
having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,
That looks pretty cut and dried to me. The word believe and faithful are interchangeable in the Bible.
From G3982; objectively trustworthy; subjectively trustful: - believe (-ing, -r), faithful (-ly), sure, true.
--- Quote ---Would you like to see any of the following?
--- End quote ---
Yes I would like to see all of the following so that we can discuss specifics. God is faithful even if we are not. Believers will stray but God will always bring them back. Is this not true in your CASE?
--- Quote ---Many NT verses prove each of these spiritual truths:
Believers stay righteous by practicing righteousness
Believers stay righteous through their obedience
Believers faith must endure until the end of their lives
Believers keep salvation by repenting of their sins
Believers were chosen and called to live holy lives
Believers must love, forgive, not judge or condemn
Believers must be victorious overcomers
One full page of Scripture verses is available
for almost every one of the above topics.
--- End quote ---
BB
BCsenior:
--- Quote from: biblebuf on July 15, 2019, 12:46:42 am ---2 Timothy 2:13 If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself.
Yes I would like to see all of the following so that we can discuss specifics.
God is faithful even if we are not.
--- End quote ---
Even when we fall into sin, God is faithful to forgive us, if we repent.
If we disown God, He will surely disown us, because God must be faithful to Himself;
He cannot accept anyone who rejects Him.
These 2 meanings are not contradictory.
I will post the first topic post haste.
biblebuf:
--- Quote from: BCsenior on July 15, 2019, 09:26:48 am ---Even when we fall into sin, God is faithful to forgive us, if we repent.
If we disown God, He will surely disown us, because God must be faithful to Himself;
He cannot accept anyone who rejects Him.
These 2 meanings are not contradictory.
I will post the first topic post haste.
--- End quote ---
--- Quote ---Even when we fall into sin, God is faithful to forgive us, if we repent.
--- End quote ---
Agreed
That concept, that a believer can unbelief is not biblical. I have posted the verses that contradict that.
--- Quote ---2 Timothy 2:13 If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself.
Yes I would like to see all of the following so that we can discuss specifics.
God is faithful even if we are not.
--- End quote ---
Do you see the word WE, Paul is speaking of believers. And repeating Jesus. John 6:39, John John 10:26-30
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