A question for Seven Day Adventist.

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Excellent point! Man chose the days of the Sabbath.

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if you read it correctly GOD told isreal which day the sabbath would be,because he showed them by the double portion which was the day before the sabbath man did not tell GOD which day he rested,he rested on the seventh day,man did not tell GOD to rest. where did you get that idea?

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if you read it correctly GOD told isreal which day the sabbath would be,because he showed them by the double portion which was the day before the sabbath man did not tell GOD which day he rested,he rested on the seventh day,man did not tell GOD to rest. where did you get that idea?

The double portion came after the sabbath. 2+2 in not 22

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The double portion came after the sabbath. 2+2 in not 22

bible buff scripture states .exodus 16:22 "And it came to pass, that on the sixth day they gathered twice as much bread," its clear the day before the seventh day which was the sabbath they gathered twice as much double portion,what are you trying to say?

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bible buff scripture states .exodus 16:22 "And it came to pass, that on the sixth day they gathered twice as much bread," its clear the day before the seventh day which was the sabbath they gathered twice as much double portion,what are you trying to say?

29 "See, the LORD has given you the sabbath ; therefore He gives you bread for two days on the sixth day. Remain every man in his place ; let no man go out of his place on the seventh day."

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FYI Israel did not keep the Sabbath, even before their captivity they turned away from it.

II Kings 17
16 They forsook all the commandments of the LORD their God and made for themselves molten images, even two calves, and made an Asherah and worshiped all the host of heaven and served Baal. 17 Then they made their sons and their daughters pass through the fire, and practiced divination and enchantments, and sold themselves to do evil in the sight of the LORD, provoking Him. 18 So the LORD was very angry with Israel and removed them from His sight ; none was left except the tribe of Judah. 19 Also Judah did not keep the commandments of the LORD their God, but walked in the customs which Israel had introduced. 20 The LORD rejected all the descendants of Israel and afflicted them and gave them into the hand of plunderers, until He had cast them out of His sight. 21 When He had torn Israel from the house of David, they made Jeroboam the son of Nebat king. Then Jeroboam drove Israel away from following the LORD and made them commit a great sin. 22 The sons of Israel walked in all the sins of Jeroboam which he did ; they did not depart from them 23 until the LORD removed Israel from His sight, as He spoke through all His servants the prophets. So Israel was carried away into exile from their own land to Assyria until this day.

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29 "See, the LORD has given you the sabbath ; therefore He gives you bread for two days on the sixth day. Remain every man in his place ; let no man go out of his place on the seventh day."

yes , He did give us the sabbath so that we may have a day of rest.  Now if the idea that some believe that the sabbath is to be kept by their choice or on the day they choose, GOD would have asked each man which day he would like to rest on ,he did not,or he would not tell everyone on that day not to go out of their place,if it were individual decision as to which day they wanted the day of rest to be. some suggest it is a random uknown day that men decide. but as we can see GOD gave the mana to isreal,GOD set the seventh day,and has been kept by isreal ever since that time on that day. because a child can count it,and after the first sabbath shown to isreal,six work days would pass and another sabbath and another six work days and another sabbath and that would continue,no one unless they wanted to disobey GOD, Exodus 31:14
Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people." and with the death penalty hanging over their head,it was important to know which day that was, thankfully GOD did show them which day that was. because you never read the terminology , he did not keep a sabbath within seven days ,or a sabbath occurring randomly on days others did not keep it that someone else decided to keep.
so based on some peoples assertion it was a random day chosen by men ,we would have people wondering did someone rest atleast once during the seven day period  and keep a sabbath? and if they did based on that assertion it would be a holy convocation,which meant everyone would have to keep the convocation. and if everyone had their own individual sabbath ,that could fall on every day of the week making every day a holy convocation, and we know that just is not what happened. no matter how hard some try to reason out of it, the facts are just too clear, GOD set a day to be holy,it is his day not ours, and it is a certain day. now some may not agree with this but as was stated about the isrealites because of unbelief they were not allowed to enter into his rest ,his meaning GOD's not mans ,and there is the distinguishing factor, the isrealites could rest ,but they were not accepted ,because of unbelief, but it would be their rest not GOD's rest , so it is up to GOD then not man. which disproves any suggestion the sabbath was whatever or whenever man decided or thought he wanted it to be. and even on the sabbath you are instructed to do certain things,not what you want to do,if it were your day, then you could decide,but it isn't and never will be. The sabbath will not be moved or eliminated by what men think , it also being GOD's holy day , has never been left to men to decide what they want to do with the sabbath and have the expectation that GOD find it acceptable. i know that many disagree, but if you believe the sabbath is a random day based upon your decision,then say that,or if you believe it is a certain day then say that, but much of the conversation has been like a bad abbott and costello routine, "whos on first?"  when asking which day the sabbath falls on the reply i have gotten,the seventh ,yeah but which day ,the seventh yeah but ..... when the answer is either they don't think there is a certain day the seventh day falls on,or they think its up to each individual to decide or are the jewish correct in keeping it sunset friday to sunset saturday .  and ultimately we going back to a previous post regarding romans 14:1 "Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations." so we do. we discuss,but not to anger nor to hate,nor falsely accuse,or belittle or degrade, or say someone said something they didn't ,or atleast that is what we SHOULD do.  it's been an interesting discussion but ,where it becomes difficult is where someone reads what you say and then thinks you said something else , and so you have to explain again,and they misread that and making it more difficult to understand one another ,it has happened many times in my posts where someone has said i was saying something i did not say. but anyway it was a good topic initially unfortunately it did not move forward. thank you for the experience.

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FYI Israel did not keep the Sabbath, even before their captivity they turned away from it.

II Kings 17
16 They forsook all the commandments of the LORD their God and made for themselves molten images, even two calves, and made an Asherah and worshiped all the host of heaven and served Baal. 17 Then they made their sons and their daughters pass through the fire, and practiced divination and enchantments, and sold themselves to do evil in the sight of the LORD, provoking Him. 18 So the LORD was very angry with Israel and removed them from His sight ; none was left except the tribe of Judah. 19 Also Judah did not keep the commandments of the LORD their God, but walked in the customs which Israel had introduced. 20 The LORD rejected all the descendants of Israel and afflicted them and gave them into the hand of plunderers, until He had cast them out of His sight. 21 When He had torn Israel from the house of David, they made Jeroboam the son of Nebat king. Then Jeroboam drove Israel away from following the LORD and made them commit a great sin. 22 The sons of Israel walked in all the sins of Jeroboam which he did ; they did not depart from them 23 until the LORD removed Israel from His sight, as He spoke through all His servants the prophets. So Israel was carried away into exile from their own land to Assyria until this day.

then how does this fit what your saying? GOD answering elias romans 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal." they may not have kept it,for example as during the captivity or before,but the knowledge of the law of GOD remained and there was always someone to show them , and the sabbath remained the same day. I don't disagree most of isreal failed to keep the law,but the law remained , the law doesn't go away, as the scripture pointed out there is always someone that is doing the right thing,though most are not ,the same remains true to this day, as christ said" Because narrow is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leads unto life, and few there be that find it."

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yes , He did give us the sabbath so that we may have a day of rest.  Now if the idea that some believe that the sabbath is to be kept by their choice or on the day they choose, GOD would have asked each man which day he would like to rest on ,he did not,or he would not tell everyone on that day not to go out of their place,if it were individual decision as to which day they wanted the day of rest to be. some suggest it is a random uknown day that men decide. but as we can see GOD gave the mana to isreal,GOD set the seventh day,and has been kept by isreal ever since that time on that day. because a child can count it,and after the first sabbath shown to isreal,six work days would pass and another sabbath and another six work days and another sabbath and that would continue,no one unless they wanted to disobey GOD,

The point you miss is they were traveling under one command. They all stopped the same day to rest just as later they all fought under one commander, even on the Sabbath. (that is Scripture)

As far as discussion goes and who believes what on this board may I remind you of the title of this board, "Bible Discussion." You will find that people here tend to fall back on the Bible, and 2 timothy 3:16 is commonly used as sort of a hint to put up or shut up.

Important thing about Romans 14 is that it teaches us not to judge someone because they eat different food then you eat or that they celebrate the Sabbath on a different day than you do. "He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord", that is not abstract it is very clear. If you notice you don't see denominations like the Baptist, telling the seven day Adventist that they worship on the wrong day, it is the other way around. A Baptist preacher will tell you that you should rest one day out of seven and you should worship all seven days.

If you feel that God has told you that you should worship on Saturday then so be it. But the claim that the Bible says that everyone should worship on Saturday is simply not true.

By the way when you answerred Moss who quoted 2 Kings 17, you answered him with Romans 11:4 which was misleading. The Romans 11 quote was actually from 1 kings 19 and had nothing to do with 2 Kings 17 that was a whole different time period.

1 kings 19:18 "Yet I will leave 7,000 in Israel, all the knees that have not bowed to Baal and every mouth that has not kissed him."

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The point you miss is they were traveling under one command. They all stopped the same day to rest just as later they all fought under one commander, even on the Sabbath. (that is Scripture)

As far as discussion goes and who believes what on this board may I remind you of the title of this board, "Bible Discussion." You will find that people here tend to fall back on the Bible, and 2 timothy 3:16 is commonly used as sort of a hint to put up or shut up.

Important thing about Romans 14 is that it teaches us not to judge someone because they eat different food then you eat or that they celebrate the Sabbath on a different day than you do. "He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord", that is not abstract it is very clear. If you notice you don't see denominations like the Baptist, telling the seven day Adventist that they worship on the wrong day, it is the other way around. A Baptist preacher will tell you that you should rest one day out of seven and you should worship all seven days.

If you feel that God has told you that you should worship on Saturday then so be it. But the claim that the Bible says that everyone should worship on Saturday is simply not true.

By the way when you answerred Moss who quoted 2 Kings 17, you answered him with Romans 11:4 which was misleading. The Romans 11 quote was actually from 1 kings 19 and had nothing to do with 2 Kings 17 that was a whole different time period.

1 kings 19:18 "Yet I will leave 7,000 in Israel, all the knees that have not bowed to Baal and every mouth that has not kissed him."

i will ask then you the same question ,and hopefully you will respond without the similar vague answer,what day of our week does the sabbath fall on ?  As far as the quote i used ,the point of it is,there is always and has always been someone who kept the sabbath,you will also notice even when isreal had gone astray ,and even if only a few. The fact of the whole matter is the sabbath was kept by christ,and he knew exactly which day it was, and was not accused of not keeping it,if anything he was accused of doing things on the sabbath which the pharisees had felt was breaking the sabbath. so as you said i have put up,but no one even addressed it because there is noone willing to say that jesus didn't know which day the sabbath was . Many denominations are just branches broken away from the catholic church,  of course denominations like the seventh days are going to have conflict in doctrine ,but no matter who you are ,what denomination , if you say jesus didn't keep the sabbath and know which day it was, then you don't believe he was who he said he was. if you believe he was christ and did keep it ,then your saying we know which day the sabbath is,what choice do you have?.

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i will ask then you the same question ,and hopefully you will respond without the similar vague answer,what day of our week does the sabbath fall on ?  As far as the quote i used ,the point of it is,there is always and has always been someone who kept the sabbath,you will also notice even when isreal had gone astray ,and even if only a few. The fact of the whole matter is the sabbath was kept by christ,and he knew exactly which day it was, and was not accused of not keeping it,if anything he was accused of doing things on the sabbath which the pharisees had felt was breaking the sabbath. so as you said i have put up,but no one even addressed it because there is noone willing to say that jesus didn't know which day the sabbath was . Many denominations are just branches broken away from the catholic church,  of course denominations like the seventh days are going to have conflict in doctrine ,but no matter who you are ,what denomination , if you say jesus didn't keep the sabbath and know which day it was, then you don't believe he was who he said he was. if you believe he was christ and did keep it ,then your saying we know which day the sabbath is,what choice do you have?.

interesting that you say that the people that kept the sabbath over the centuries  are the ones that accused Christ of not keeping it were they wrong or were they right? the scripture is very specific on the day of the sabbath, it says it is the seventh day, do you disagree with that? do you believe the bible or do you not, if not the seventh day then what day? if you believe it what does it say? who are you to judge the servant of another? to his own master he stands or falls ; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand. one person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. each person must be fully convinced in his own mind. he who observes the day, observes it for the Lord.

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then how does this fit what your saying? GOD answering elias romans 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal." they may not have kept it,for example as during the captivity or before,but the knowledge of the law of GOD remained and there was always someone to show them , and the sabbath remained the same day. I don't disagree most of isreal failed to keep the law,but the law remained , the law doesn't go away, as the scripture pointed out there is always someone that is doing the right thing,though most are not ,the same remains true to this day, as christ said" Because narrow is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leads unto life, and few there be that find it."

They indeed kept a copy of the written law but there is no indication anyone scriptures that somebody was assigned to keep the sabbath. As pointed out to you by BB your scripture reference has nothing to do with question. What day does the Bible say the Sabbath falls on?
2 tim 3:16

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interesting that you say that the people that kept the sabbath over the centuries  are the ones that accused Christ of not keeping it were they wrong or were they right? the scripture is very specific on the day of the sabbath, it says it is the seventh day, do you disagree with that? do you believe the bible or do you not, if not the seventh day then what day? if you believe it what does it say? who are you to judge the servant of another? to his own master he stands or falls ; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand. one person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. each person must be fully convinced in his own mind. he who observes the day, observes it for the Lord.

christ was accused of doing things on the sabbath that was not lawful. No one ever accused him of not keeping the sabbath day itself as luke states Luke 4:16: “as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day”  but there was never an arguement about if he kept the sabbath or which day was the sabbath. so of course i believe the bible. so yes it is the seventh day which happens to fall on sunset friday to sunset saturday. even the scriptures agree matthew 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
we know what day the first day of the week was,and we know then the sabbath came before it. as far as judging,i have not judged anyone ,we are trying to establish if the sabbath is a certain day or it is a random day chosen by men,or some other option , there is no judgement in question here. what i am asking is what day of the week is the sabbath in your view,do you think it to be whenever you decide it is,or is it a day GOD has set aside for us to keep or something else, but the question of right or wrong ,wasn't part of this conversation.

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They indeed kept a copy of the written law but there is no indication anyone scriptures that somebody was assigned to keep the sabbath. As pointed out to you by BB your scripture reference has nothing to do with question. What day does the Bible say the Sabbath falls on?
2 tim 3:16

unfortunately that is not entirely accurate,Numbers 25:13,Phineas the son of Elazar the son of Ahron the Kohen..Behold I give to him my covenant of Peace, and is/will be his and his progeny after him (a) covenant of everlasting priesthood in turn of his zealousness for of his God, and he atoned for the sons of Israel
—Numbers 25:13
Torah commentators record that Phineas sinned due to his not availing his servitude of Torah instruction to the masses at the time leading up to the Battle of Gibeah. In addition, he also failed to address the needs of relieving Jephthah of his vow. As consequence, the high priesthood was taken from him and given to the offspring of Ithamar, essentially Eli and his sons. Upon the sin of Eli's sons, Hophni and Phinehas, Elkanah prophecized the return of high priesthood to the sons of Elazar;
And I will erect myself a reliable priest (who acts) with my heart, and with my soul he will do, and I will build him a reliable household, and he will go before my Annointed all of days
—Book of Samuel 1 2:35
This prophecy of Elkanah ultimately happened in the era of King David when Zadok from the progeny of Eleazar was appointed as high priest.[2] The Metzudoth and Obadiah ben Jacob Sforno comment that the service of Zadok and his sons was in line with the will of God even at times when the actions of the general nation was not.[citation needed] The Midrash Rabba relates how Zadok and offspring where righteous in their personal actions and service to the Temple to the point that where Aaron and his sons present at the era of Zadok and sons, Zadok and sons would supersede them in quality (Koheleth Rabbah Chap. 1). Rashi comments that since Zadok functioned first as high priest in Solomon's Temple, as opposed to the tabernacle, which was mobile, and also busied himself with establishing the twenty-four priestly divisions, he merited that the preferred lineage of Eleazar be called by his name, "the sons of Zadok (as opposed to being titled the sons of Eleazar), and the entire concept of the twenty-four divisions be attributed to him (Rashi to Ezekiel 43:19).

as to your question which day does GOD say the sabbath falls on,the seventh day, and the isrealites were shown which day that was,not a uknown random day, it was a specific day shown to them by reason of mana collected on the sixth day in double portion,meaning that after that sabbath would be six days of work ,and then another sabbath . this is what the bible tells us, there is no indication or suggestion it was sparatic and random that no one knew which day it was,or that it was up to individual people to choose which day they wanted the sabbath to be,GOD chose it not isreal,they only knew when the sabbath was by the double portion given to them the day before that specific day . or do you not believe the bible?

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unfortunately that is not entirely accurate,Numbers 25:13,Phineas the son of Elazar the son of Ahron the Kohen..Behold I give to him my covenant of Peace, and is/will be his and his progeny after him (a) covenant of everlasting priesthood in turn of his zealousness for of his God, and he atoned for the sons of Israel
—Numbers 25:13
Torah commentators record that Phineas sinned due to his not availing his servitude of Torah instruction to the masses at the time leading up to the Battle of Gibeah. In addition, he also failed to address the needs of relieving Jephthah of his vow. As consequence, the high priesthood was taken from him and given to the offspring of Ithamar, essentially Eli and his sons. Upon the sin of Eli's sons, Hophni and Phinehas, Elkanah prophecized the return of high priesthood to the sons of Elazar;
And I will erect myself a reliable priest (who acts) with my heart, and with my soul he will do, and I will build him a reliable household, and he will go before my Annointed all of days
—Book of Samuel 1 2:35
This prophecy of Elkanah ultimately happened in the era of King David when Zadok from the progeny of Eleazar was appointed as high priest.[2] The Metzudoth and Obadiah ben Jacob Sforno comment that the service of Zadok and his sons was in line with the will of God even at times when the actions of the general nation was not.[citation needed] The Midrash Rabba relates how Zadok and offspring where righteous in their personal actions and service to the Temple to the point that where Aaron and his sons present at the era of Zadok and sons, Zadok and sons would supersede them in quality (Koheleth Rabbah Chap. 1). Rashi comments that since Zadok functioned first as high priest in Solomon's Temple, as opposed to the tabernacle, which was mobile, and also busied himself with establishing the twenty-four priestly divisions, he merited that the preferred lineage of Eleazar be called by his name, "the sons of Zadok (as opposed to being titled the sons of Eleazar), and the entire concept of the twenty-four divisions be attributed to him (Rashi to Ezekiel 43:19).

as to your question which day does GOD say the sabbath falls on,the seventh day, and the isrealites were shown which day that was,not a uknown random day, it was a specific day shown to them by reason of mana collected on the sixth day in double portion,meaning that after that sabbath would be six days of work ,and then another sabbath . this is what the bible tells us, there is no indication or suggestion it was sparatic and random that no one knew which day it was,or that it was up to individual people to choose which day they wanted the sabbath to be,GOD chose it not isreal,they only knew when the sabbath was by the double portion given to them the day before that specific day . or do you not believe the bible?

You should give credit to yor cut n paste: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kohanim_sons_of_Tzadok
And as your wikipedia article said [citation needed] after all Joseph Smith claimed to be a Zadok High Priest.

Now what day was the double portion given?

 And the children of Israel did eat manna forty years, until they came to a land inhabited ; they did eat manna, until they came unto the borders of the land of Canaan.

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You should give credit to yor cut n paste: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kohanim_sons_of_Tzadok
And as your wikipedia article said [citation needed] after all Joseph Smith claimed to be a Zadok High Priest.

Now what day was the double portion given?

 And the children of Israel did eat manna forty years, until they came to a land inhabited ; they did eat manna, until they came unto the borders of the land of Canaan.

yes yes indeed, credit to that site for saving me some typing.