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Once saved always saved- is it a dangerous doctrine?

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Zant Law:
The problem with the phrase is that it gives false security/assurance to those who gave lip service to the gospel but were never regenerated.
But is it a true doctrine?

Fat:

--- Quote from: Zant Law on February 04, 2013, 10:08:00 am ---The problem with the phrase is that it gives false security/assurance to those who gave lip service to the gospel but were never regenerated.
But is it a true doctrine?

--- End quote ---

It's a true doctrine and a correct doctrine. The only danger is for those who believe that a few magic words saves your soul. Repentance is part of believing and repentance is a change of heart which manifests itself in more than lip service.

I don't know if you want to debate the perseverence of the Saints or just the problems that this doctrine brings to the Christian community, so I'm not going to post a bunch of verses here and start something you don't want. 8)

Zant Law:

--- Quote from: Fat on February 04, 2013, 06:34:15 pm ---It's a true doctrine and a correct doctrine. The only danger is for those who believe that a few magic words saves your soul. Repentance is part of believing and repentance is a change of heart which manifests itself in more than lip service.

I don't know if you want to debate the perseverence of the Saints or just the problems that this doctrine brings to the Christian community, so I'm not going to post a bunch of verses here and start something you don't want. 8)

--- End quote ---

I like to talk about two topics here, one you addressed after declaring that the doctrine was true. And I would agree with you that there is a problem with it but I look at it a different angle. Where I see the problem is those that give the lipservice calling themselves Christians and then obviously showing to the world that they are in fact creatures of the flesh. This is used by other nonbelievers to point out a hypocrisy of all Christians. I agree with you that these people who give lip service of being followers of Christ are in fact not members of his body.

As far as debating the preservation of the saints with you Fat, I believe we would find we're both on the same side so wouldn't be much of a debate.  :)
 Thanks for responding to the post.

biblebuf:
Counterfeit conversion happens in the Bible.
2 Peter 2
17 These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever. 18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. 19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome , of the same is he brought in bondage . 20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome , the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again ; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

Matthew 7
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them , I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Hal:

--- Quote from: Zant Law on February 04, 2013, 10:08:00 am ---The problem with the phrase is that it gives false security/assurance to those who gave lip service to the gospel but were never regenerated.
But is it a true doctrine?

--- End quote ---

It is a true doctrine and there will always be those who profess to be believers that are not. Is it dangerous? To who, not the saved for they have truly repented.

Titus 1:15-16 (NIV)
To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted. They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are detestable, disobedient and unfit for doing anything good.

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