Bible Talk > Sound doctrine
Who teaches sound doctrine?
Theodore A. Jones:
--- Quote from: Jack Koons on July 02, 2013, 10:14:29 am ---As I review Biblical and church history, I never see the leadership of any mainstream "Christian" church follow sound doctrine. I believe the reason for this, rests in the fact that most of the leadership starts out good in a small church that at one time did preach the true gospel; then the young man goes to Bible college and gets his doctrine tweaked in order to "align" with one of the mainstream beliefs.
"Some easy target to show my point.
Christians should be clean shaven - bible ref please
Christians should wear a tie/suit - bible ref please
How many overweight preaches preach against smoking and drinking in moderation but gluttony which is actually mentioned in the bible - never (drunkenness is a different issue) ref I do not smoke or drink..BUT it is not because it is a biblical issue but a personal one."
Beards are actually addressed in the Bible, just to the opposite of what people say. The problem is, as soon as the verses are mentioned, you hear, "That was under the Law". People should really understand what Paul meant by "under the Law", before using the phrase.
No suits and ties are not mentioned in the Bible, but I believe that since we are representing the King of kings, it can't hurt to look our best.
Gluttony, smoking, and drinking, I don't think we need to debate something that obvious. I will admit, I am a bit over weight, (the older I get the harder it is not to gain weight) but not in any major way. (I am no where near qualifying for 'the biggest loser'.)
How can we have sound doctrine when we have watered down Bibles?
Jack
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What is the "true gospel" ? What is the "false gospel"?
Jack Koons:
The simplest statement concerning the 'true gospel' is that it is the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
1 Cor. 15:
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Jack
Theodore A. Jones:
--- Quote from: admin on June 19, 2013, 08:46:45 am ---Every time I get into this discussion I think of Rick Warren and his Seeker Friendly Church.
Warren says, (The Purpose-Driven Church)
Figure out what mood you want your service to project, and then create it. (p. 264); We start positive and end positive. (p. 271); We use humor in our services ... it is not a sin to help people feel good. (p. 272); Cultivate an informal, relaxed, and friendly atmosphere. (p. 272); We made a strategic decision to stop singing hymns in our seeker services. (p. 285); We have attracted thousands more because of our music. (p. 285); Saddleback now has a complete pop/rock orchestra. (p. 290); Use more performed music than congregational singing ... (p. 291) (emphasis on entertainment); The ground we have in common with unbelievers is not the Bible, but our common needs, hurts, and interests as human beings. You cannot start with a text ... (p. 295); Make your members feel special ... they need to feel special. (p. 320,323)
Being seeker sensitive in our worship is a biblical command” (p. 243) and “Keep your pastoral prayers short in your seeker services. . . . The unchurched can’t handle long prayers; their minds wander or they fall asleep.”
For am I now trying to win the favor of people, or God? Or am I striving to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a slave of Christ. (Gal. 1:10-11) HCS
It is about Jesus Christ crucified for sin, that is the message that will grow the Church.
There is an organization of churches in the north west that rates it's member churches partly by the number of baptisms the preform each month.
I ask you which congregation will God bless, the Saddleback church with it's rock and roll band or a home church in Iraq that has to hide it's one copy of the bible under the floor boards of the house for fear of death?
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Elaborate "It is about Jesus Christ crucified for sin" explaining in particular the term "for sin".
Alexander Winslow:
The only sound doctrine comes from the Bible itself, so while the main doctrine of Christendom is the Trinity; the main doctrine of the Bible is the 'ransom' without which all is lost.
The individual churches of Christendom teach their own man-made doctrines and then fit names and scriptures from the Bible around them.
Often when specific scriptural information on particular issues is given, some have stated that they cannot accept this. Therefore what they are actually saying is that they do not accept the Bible as the inspired Word of God.
Someone says that he believes that Jesus is 'God the Son' while Jesus emphatically states that he is the 'Son of God' so therefore not God incarnate. So whom do we accept, this person or Jesus?
Another person believes in immortality of the soul, while Almighty God emphatically states:
“Behold, all souls are Mine. As the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is Mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.” (Ezekiel 18:4) 21st Century King James Version (KJ21) “His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.” (Psalm 146:4) King James Version (KJV) [King James I of England 1611 A.D.] 21st Century King James Version (KJ21) Proving that a soul is not immortal.
So whom do we believe that person or Almighty God?
A good example is when two people were playing chess and each one was playing it different to the other. Conclusion; either one is right and one wrong, or both are wrong. Solution? The book of rules is then consulted and when established, both end up playing correctly. The Bible is our book of rules, but unless adhered to; we will all end up confused like Christendom!
Alexander
Hal:
The first step is to establish the biblical doctrine that there is only one God. Then, you find that each of the persons is called God, each creates, each was involved in Jesus' resurrection, each indwells, etc. Therefore, God is one, but the one God is in three simultaneous persons. Please note that the idea of a composite unity is not a foreign concept to the Bible; after all, man and wife are said to be one flesh. The idea of a composite unity of persons is spoken of by God in Genesis (Gen. 2:24).
Isaiah 43:10; 44:6, 8; 45:5, 14, 18, 21, 22; 46:9; 47:8
Therefore, the doctrine of the Trinity is arrived at by looking at the whole of scripture--not in a single verse. It is the doctrine that there is only one God and not three, and that the one God exists in three persons: Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. An analogy would be time. Time is past, present, and future; but, there are not three times and only one.
Called God
Father Phil. 1:2
Son John 1:1, 14; Col. 2:9
Holy Ghost Acts 5:3-4
Called Creator
Father Isaiah 64:8
Son John 1:3; Col. 1:15-17
Holy Spirit Job 33:4, 26:13
Sanctifies
Father 1 Thess. 5:23
Son Heb. 2:11
Spirit 1 Pet. 1:2
Savior
Father 1 Tim. 1:1; 2:3; 4:10
Son 2 Tim. 1:10; Titus 1:4; 3:6
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