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predestination
Fat:
--- Quote from: Jack Koons on June 27, 2013, 10:47:17 am ---Fat,
Please define the "chosen" or "elect". Please give your references, and please don't just say, "Those who are predestinated"; that is known as circular reasoning.
I want YOUR DEFINITION OF THE CHOSEN.
Jack
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Rom 8:29 For those He foreknew He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. 30 And those He predestined, He also called; and those He called, He also justified; and those He justified, He also glorified.
Ephesians 1:5 He predestined us to be adopted through Jesus Christ for Himself, according to His favor and will,
Eph 1:11 In Him we were also made His inheritance, predestined according to the purpose of the One who works out everything in agreement with the decision of His will,
Strong's Number: 4309
Original Word Word Origin
proorizo from (4253) and (3724)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Proorizo 5:456,728
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
pro-or-id'-zo Verb
Definition
to predetermine, decide beforehand
in the NT of God decreeing from eternity
to foreordain, appoint beforehand
Used in acts 4:28 showing that Christ was predestined to the CROSS. And 1 corinthians 2:7 speaking of God's hidden wisdom.
Jack Koons:
Fat,
You did not answer my question.
I specifically want to know, Who are the "chosen" ones?
Jack
Fat:
--- Quote from: Jack Koons on June 27, 2013, 11:45:15 am ---Fat,
You did not answer my question.
I specifically want to know, Who are the "chosen" ones?
Jack
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Those who have the inheritance:
Ephesians 1:11
also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will,
Rom 8:29 30 And those He predestined, He also called; and those He called, He also justified; and those He justified, He also glorified.
Jack Koons:
Fat,
Do you believe the Bible specifies who God's chosen people are?
Fat:
--- Quote from: Jack Koons on June 27, 2013, 12:16:49 pm ---Fat,
Do you believe the Bible specifies who God's chosen people are?
--- End quote ---
That question has been answered.
Do you want to discuss what you believe the Scriptures posted of John 6 say, or is it that you have no independent thought or have never considered the verses posted? These are all words of Christ not words of man, not even the words of a disciple or apostle.
I believe these verses are self-explanatory and they say what they say. If you believe they don't say what they say or have some biblical reference to show otherwise enlighten us, I am truly interested to hear from such an enlightened person as yourself having been so highly educated.
I'll give you a heads up being as you are new on this board. The admindude (AKA Bob) does not like or tolerate a circular debate. It confuses those who read the forum and never answers the questions concerning the Scriptures. We have far more readers than people who participate on the Board. If you check the stats you will see that we are getting close to hundred thousand pages read a month, yet we only have 49 users. I started this thread I do not want it shutdown because you want to play games.
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