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predestination
Jack Koons:
Fat,
You really need to: 1) Read the scriptures presented; and 2) Read the question presented.
Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
This verse says four things:
1) by one man sin entered the world
2 and death by sin (also entered the world)
3) so death passed upon all men (not Adam's death, but the death because of disobedience)
4) for that all have sinned this is the passing of the sin nature, not Adam's "original" sin (as taught by Catholics).
1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
This verse simply defines sin (sin is the transgression of the law).
Sin entered I to the world the moment Adam made the wrong choice. Since that time "death by sin" passed upon all men.
The Marines of which I spoke had "death" passed on them because of the sin of Adam, agreed? (The sin nature was passed, not Adam's sin) The first question I have for you is this; would you agree that when I gave those two Marines the gospel, (the death, burial, and bodily resurrection from the dead, and the need to repent, knowing that you are a sinner deserving the wrath of God in everlasting damnation), "elect", or not, they received what you as a Calvinist refer to as the "external call"?
Jack
Fat:
--- Quote from: Jack Koons on July 02, 2013, 04:44:30 am ---Fat,
You really need to: 1) Read the scriptures presented; and 2) Read the question presented.
Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
This verse says four things:
1) by one man sin entered the world
2 and death by sin (also entered the world)
3) so death passed upon all men (not Adam's death, but the death because of disobedience)
4) for that all have sinned this is the passing of the sin nature, not Adam's "original" sin (as taught by Catholics).
1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
This verse simply defines sin (sin is the transgression of the law).
Sin entered I to the world the moment Adam made the wrong choice. Since that time "death by sin" passed upon all men.
The Marines of which I spoke had "death" passed on them because of the sin of Adam, agreed? (The sin nature was passed, not Adam's sin) The first question I have for you is this; would you agree that when I gave those two Marines the gospel, (the death, burial, and bodily resurrection from the dead, and the need to repent, knowing that you are a sinner deserving the wrath of God in everlasting damnation), "elect", or not, they received what you as a Calvinist refer to as the "external call"?
Jack
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1You asked me 2 questions and I answered both of them.
2) You have to learn that any verse in the bible can not be exclusive from the rest of the bible.
3) I asked you 2 questions and like a typical Arminian you have no answer for the most simple questions.
Bob I think Jack has run his course here, please lock the thread. It's not a waist however, it points out the problems of Arminianism.
admin:
I could have split the topic for you if you liked but it's your thread. Sorry Phat for being pushy but you guys don't seem to be talking to each other.
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