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The doctrine of the Trinity
JB Horn:
--- Quote from: Frank T on July 12, 2013, 11:07:50 am ---Question is a belief in the Trinity necessary for salvation?
Can someone accept Christ and receive salvation without believing that he is actually part of a trinity or one God?
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No to first quest which makes it Yes on part two.
The only real good reason to believe in the Trinity is it makes the rest of the Bible flow without having contradictions. Without believing in the Trinity becomes very hard to make sense of the Scriptures.
Look at what the JW's had to do to their Bible to make it make halfway sense and it still has many contradictions.
That is my humble opinion but I'm sure somebody else has other beliefs. >:(
michaelf:
If belief in things not said plainly in the bible was a requirement to be a christian them there would be no security in Salvation.
Stick to Jesus is the Christ
His death an Resurrection for payment of Sin
Salvation through faith in Him alone
Repent and Believe
No mention of trinity here
EVERYTHING ELSE is extra(non essential) to that(not that you should ignore everything else but it is not a requirement for salvation)
macuser:
--- Quote from: Frank T on July 12, 2013, 11:07:50 am ---Question is a belief in the Trinity necessary for salvation?
Can someone accept Christ and receive salvation without believing that he is actually part of a trinity or one God?
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Frank
I agree with JB and Michaelf but I would like to add that after a time of being a Christian and being in His word, you come to understand the deity of Christ. The big mystery that I see is how come some whole denominations can't come to the same conclusion? :-\
calluna:
--- Quote from: macuser on July 12, 2013, 10:44:45 pm ---Frank
I agree with JB and Michaelf but I would like to add that after a time of being a Christian and being in His word, you come to understand the deity of Christ.
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Or perhaps, having read my explanation, one will have better understood the deity of Christ. One cannot agree with it and agree that trinitarianism assists to understand the Bible! One of the demonic lies of trinitarians is that they present JW Arianism as the only alternative. Of course, it is plainly Satanic as well as unutterably brainless to suggest that the sovereign deity and his many authors all failed to provide a key without which it is very hard to understand the Bible. But then it is surprising how often Satan is driven to apparent idiocy.
--- Quote ---The big mystery that I see is how come some whole denominations can't come to the same conclusion? :-\
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There is a correlation between those apparent Protestants who accept or even promote the trinitarianism heresy of three persons of deity and those who are reluctant to identify the evils of Romanism, the source of this and many other heresies. For evangelicals who accept this heresy without thought, there are few serious consequences. But in less educated countries, this tritheism permits Jesus to be demoted within the 'Godhead', and even below Mary, Queen of Heaven (who is presumably married to the Father!). By pictorial as well as by verbal means, Jesus is made to seem ineffective, lacking 'all authority'. He is made to seem an other-worldly aesthete, even effeminate; certainly not the plain-speaking, compassionate, practical man of the gospels.
Greed and perversion have their eternal reward.
Frank T:
--- Quote from: calluna on July 13, 2013, 09:59:26 am ---Or perhaps, having read my explanation, one will have better understood the deity of Christ. One cannot agree with it and agree that trinitarianism assists to understand the Bible! One of the demonic lies of trinitarians is that they present JW Arianism as the only alternative. Of course, it is plainly Satanic as well as unutterably brainless to suggest that the sovereign deity and his many authors all failed to provide a key without which it is very hard to understand the Bible. But then it is surprising how often Satan is driven to apparent idiocy.
There is a correlation between those apparent Protestants who accept or even promote the trinitarianism heresy of three persons of deity and those who are reluctant to identify the evils of Romanism, the source of this and many other heresies. For evangelicals who accept this heresy without thought, there are few serious consequences. But in less educated countries, this tritheism permits Jesus to be demoted within the 'Godhead', and even below Mary, Queen of Heaven (who is presumably married to the Father!). By pictorial as well as by verbal means, Jesus is made to seem ineffective, lacking 'all authority'. He is made to seem an other-worldly aesthete, even effeminate; certainly not the plain-speaking, compassionate, practical man of the gospels.
Greed and perversion have their eternal reward.
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I don't quite understand your definition of the Trinity. Trinitarianism teaches that God is triune.
And of course they can't be separated, for instance Christ continually refers to His Father but Mary conceive Christ by the Holy Ghost. So is Christ's Father the Holy Ghost?
John 1:1 is very clear to me.
So what do you believe Trinitarianism teaches?
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