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The doctrine of the Trinity
biblebuf:
--- Quote from: Alex ---“although existing in the spirit form of God; 'never' developed the desire to be equal with God; but transformed himself to become lower than the angels by taking on the form of man.” (Philippians 2:6, 7) NMTC
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I'm sorry Alex but you own chosen scriptures confirm the Trinity.
who, existing in the form of God,
did not consider equality with God
as something to be used for His own advantage.
Instead He emptied Himself
by assuming the form of a slave,
taking on the likeness of men.
And when He had come as a man
in His external form, (HCS)
The real problem you are going to run into is explaining why a sacrifice of and unblemished lamb (a creation of the Father) is less acceptable than (a god).
Next you must explain how you get around, "have no other god before Me".
Next please explain why the OT claims that only the Father is your savior and there is non-other but the NT clearly teaches that Christ is your savior non-other.
Your chosen verses are correct and I suggest you take them at face value and quit rewriting them in your own mind.
BB
Alexander Winslow:
Hello biblebuf,
A pleasure to converse with you. There is not one scripture which I have quoted that confirms the Trinity except perhaps in your own mind.
The only-begotten Son of God, the first-born of all creation, the Word; “although existing in the spirit form of God; never developed the desire to be equal with God; but transformed himself to become lower than the angels by taking on the form of man.” (Philippians 2:6, 7) NMTCS
So how do you make a Trinity out of that one?
He 'never' developed a desire to become 'equal' with Almighty God, but instead became even 'lower' than the angels when he took on the form of a perfect man like Adam.
You then state: "The real problem you are going to run into is explaining why a sacrifice of and unblemished lamb (a creation of the Father) is less acceptable than (a god)."
Evidently you do not understand what this is all about. The issue between Satan and Almighty God is that God could not put a perfect man on the earth like Adam who would remain obedient unto death!
If Jesus had been a 'god-man' as the Trinitarians claim 'God the Son', then the sacrifice would immediately become invalid. Jesus had to provide a 'corresponding' ransom to Adam for it to be acceptable. It was not a god-man that Satan turned away from Almighty God, but a perfect human.
Also, as Almighty God is immortal, he therefore is indestructible and cannot die!
So if Jesus had been 'God the Son' he would still be hanging there!
I do not wish to sound superior here, but have you ever studied the Bible including God's prophetic pattern and parallel content?
The whole point of a sacrificial lamb goes back to the incident in Egypt when on the evening before the Israelite nation moved out, each family had to sacrifice a lamb and smear its blood on the door post so that when the angel of death passed over, none of their first-born would be killed.
Now the significance of this is that this was a foreshadow of a greater fulfillment when years later, the Lamb of God was executed at Golgotha and his blood stained the post on which he died, so that the angel of Adamic death would pass over the whole of mankind and cancel out death without a resurrection while at the same time opening up the the sure and certain hope of a resurrection to the opportunity of everlasting life.
The scriptural confirmation of this is given to us in the words of the Apostle Paul: "Christ our passover has been sacrificed. (1 Corinthians 5:7)
The statement "That you shall have no other Gods before me." is Almighty God instructing the natural nation of Israel at that time to observe this while they were under the hand of God.
As it happens, three Gods are actually identified in the Bible:
Almighty God who is without equal. (Exodus 6:3)
The Mighty God and Prince of Peace. (Isaiah 9:6)
The god of this present world order. (2 Corinthians 4:4)
Your next comment, I have already covered; Almighty God is saviour who has provided the instrument of salvation Christ Jesus. So each one in his own capacity.
Your last comment, I do not re-write anything, you are simply failing to understand the significance of what is being said. Like Christendom, you seem to be trying to fit the scriptures around you own ideas.
Alexander
biblebuf:
--- Quote from: Alexander Winslow on July 28, 2014, 06:28:34 pm ---“although existing in the spirit form of God; 'never' developed the desire to be equal with God; but transformed himself to become lower than the angels by taking on the form of man.” (Philippians 2:6, 7) NMTC
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I'll try this one more time for you.
“although existing in the spirit form of God; 'never' developed the desire to be equal with God; but transformed himself to become lower than the angels by taking on the form of man.” (Philippians 2:6, 7) NMTC
Philippians 2:6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. (NAS) most accrete translation
Alexander Winslow:
Hello biblebuf,
I am not sure what you are trying to read into the scriptures which you have again quoted; but if you read them carefully; they destroy the Trinity in one go. The quote which you have stated is in the old archaic language which detracts from the sense in which it is written in the Greek.
“although existing in the spirit form of God;" is informing us that like Almighty god, he was created as a spirit creature as opposed to man later who was human. Also like Adam and the rest of us, he posses the same four attribute as Almighty God; Justice, Power, Love and Wisdom as portrayed by the four creatures around the throne of God in Revelation 4:7
In this way he existed in the 'form' of God, therefore he was no God.
Satan has really got you on this one!
If all the working parts in a watch were 'equal', when wound up it would certainly run; but it would never keep time! Balance is the 'key' to creation; not 'equality'!
Remember, if God had an equal; then he could no longer be Almighty God which means 'without equal'!
Alexander
biblebuf:
Hello Alexander
--- Quote from: Alexander Winslow on July 29, 2014, 06:13:13 pm ---Hello biblebuf,
I am not sure what you are trying to read into the scriptures which you have again quoted; but if you read them carefully; they destroy the Trinity in one go. The quote which you have stated is in the old archaic language which detracts from the sense in which it is written in the Greek.
“although existing in the spirit form of God;" is informing us that like Almighty god, he was created as a spirit creature as opposed to man later who was human. Also like Adam and the rest of us, he posses the same four attribute as Almighty God; Justice, Power, Love and Wisdom as portrayed by the four creatures around the throne of God in Revelation 4:7
In this way he existed in the 'form' of God, therefore he was no God.
Satan has really got you on this one!
If all the working parts in a watch were 'equal', when wound up it would certainly run; but it would never keep time! Balance is the 'key' to creation; not 'equality'!
Remember, if God had an equal; then he could no longer be Almighty God which means 'without equal'!
Alexander
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“although existing in the spirit form of God;" NOT “although existing in the spirit form of a god;"
This from the man who believes that Hosea 12:9 is evidence that the Creator built the Great Pyramid.
PS. I search to find your translation NMTC on line and could not find it. Could you direct me to it please.
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