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The doctrine of the Trinity
admin:
This question was put to you by Phat.
If Jesus is "a god", he is a god nonetheless. The means there are two gods, this is polytheism.
How then do we reconcile what John is saying with the rest of Scripture?
You danced around giving an answer. I would like to ask you two questions they are very simple, do you believe there's more than one god? Revelation 7 tells us that the 144,000 of your little flock will have no Gentiles in it, do you believe that?
You know Alexander when I read your post it is very evident that you can only hope for salvation coming from your own actions, in other words salvation by works. On a personal note, those affected you attended Oxford make you feel proud or maybe make you feel that this gives you some authority?
Please give me direct answers to my two questions, no need for scriptures, Just answer them or face annihilation from the forum. ;)
Admin Dude
JB Horn:
Och.
Alexander Winslow:
Hello Admin Dude,
Thank you for your comments of which I am pleased to answer.
To answer your first point on Jesus being a God, this is confirmed in Isaiah 9:6, 7 which identifies him in prophecy as a 'Mighty God' and the Prince of Peace. The Bible also Identifies Jehovah as 'Almighty God' which puts him in a superior position to everything else. Also we need to take into consideration 2 Corinthians 4:4 which identifies Satan as the 'god' of this world. So in effect, the Bible identifies three Gods each of unequal status, but with Jehovah as the Almighty which means without equal!
Now as for you second comment, you seem to have misread my words concerning not 'my' 'little flock' but Jesus' little flock, which is actually comprised of both Jew and Gentile as confirmed in John 10:16 "I have other sheep [Gentiles] not of this fold [Jews], these also I must bring; and they shall become on flock [144,000] and one shepherd.
Notice that they 'become' one shepherd and not 'under' one shepherd, this is because they will rule and shepherd the nations during the thousand year reign of the Christ as confirmed in Revelation 20:6.
On your third, you again have misread my words, in fact the Good News of the Kingdom is the resurrection and a second chance for all as stated by the Apostle Paul: "We entertain the hope that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous." (Acts 24:15)
This is a more substantial hope than that given by the churches of Christendom, because here we have Almighty God in his loving kindness; having provided Christ Jesus the liberator from Adamic death, giving the whole of the human race the hope by way of the resurrection to attain human perfection as first intended, during the thousand year reign and then having reached this status at the end of this period Revelation 20:7-10 shows how everything has come full circle and Satan is let loose for a short period to once more attempt to deceive the nations as he did with Adam and Eve in Eden.
It also shows that many whose number is countless like the grains of sand on the sea shore, will still follow Satan and as this is on their own cognizance; they are annihilated by the 'second death'. (Revelation 21:8)
Those who remain faithful which will also be countless, will gain everlasting life in perfection on earth in a global Edenic Paradise.
This is what was foretold by Jesus in his parable of the sheep and the goats in Matthew 25:31-46.
What I have given you here, is what all the churches of Christendom should be teaching instead of their own man-made doctrines.
On your personal note, the only reason for my mentioning the Oxford Course is to bring to one's attention that this was a completely non-denominational course free from the doctrines of the churches, we were taught 'clean' scripture only.
Alexander
'little flock' but Jesus' littlr flock which actually is comprised of both Jew and Gentile. Thi is cobfirmed in John 10:16 which states
admin:
Thank you Alexander Winslow for answering my questions.
--- Quote from: Alexander Winslow on August 20, 2014, 05:58:03 pm ---To answer your first point on Jesus being a God, this is confirmed in Isaiah 9:6, 7 which identifies him in prophecy as a 'Mighty God' and the Prince of Peace. The Bible also Identifies Jehovah as 'Almighty God' which puts him in a superior position to everything else. Also we need to take into consideration 2 Corinthians 4:4 which identifies Satan as the 'god' of this world. So in effect, the Bible identifies three Gods each of unequal status, but with Jehovah as the Almighty which means without equal!
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So that the readers understand you believe in polytheism. Of course you, not being a JW, are going to tell me that you only pay homage to Christ but do not worship Him, that is balderdash and you know it.
--- Quote from: Alexander Winslow on August 20, 2014, 05:58:03 pm ---Now as for you second comment, you seem to have misread my words concerning not 'my' 'little flock' but Jesus' little flock, which is actually comprised of both Jew and Gentile as confirmed in John 10:16 "I have other sheep [Gentiles] not of this fold [Jews], these also I must bring; and they shall become on flock [144,000] and one shepherd.
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But this is not what the Scriptures say, the verses you do not referre to the 144,000.
Rev 7 NWT
1 Then I saw, and look! the Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who have his name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads.
4 And I heard the number of those who were sealed, 144,000, sealed out of every tribe of the sons of Israel:
5 Out of the tribe of Judah 12,000 sealed;
out of the tribe of Reu′ben 12,000;
out of the tribe of Gad 12,000;
6 out of the tribe of Ash′er 12,000;
out of the tribe of Naph′ta·li 12,000;
out of the tribe of Ma·nas′seh 12,000;
7 out of the tribe of Sim′e·on 12,000;
out of the tribe of Le′vi 12,000;
out of the tribe of Is′sa·char 12,000;
8 out of the tribe of Zeb′u·lun 12,000;
out of the tribe of Joseph 12,000;
out of the tribe of Benjamin 12,000 sealed.
Rev 14
1 Then I saw, and look! the Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who have his name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads. 2 I heard a sound coming out of heaven like the sound of many waters and like the sound of loud thunder; and the sound that I heard was like singers who accompany themselves by playing on their harps. 3 And they are singing what seems to be a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders, and no one was able to master that song except the 144,000, who have been bought from the earth. 4 These are the ones who did not defile themselves with women; in fact, they are virgins. These are the ones who keep following the Lamb no matter where he goes. These were bought from among mankind as firstfruits to God and to the Lamb, 5 and no deceit was found in their mouths; they are without blemish.
As the readers can see they are all Jews, male and unmarried.
--- Quote from: Alexander Winslow on August 20, 2014, 05:58:03 pm ---On your third, you again have misread my words, in fact the Good News of the Kingdom is the resurrection and a second chance for all as stated by the Apostle Paul: "We entertain the hope that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous." (Acts 24:15)
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We know that the OT jews believed in the reserection of the dead, some to everlasting life and some to some to shame and everlasting contempt.
Daniel 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake , some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
Job 19:23 "Oh that my words were written! Oh that they were inscribed in a book! 24 "That with an iron stylus and lead They were engraved in the rock forever! 25 "As for me, I know that my Redeemer lives, And at the last He will take His stand on the earth. 26 "Even after my skin is destroyed, Yet from my flesh I shall see God;
Thank you again Alexander Winslow I pray that you find the way.
Admin Dude
Like to add a few verses for thought.
Col. 3:24 knowing that from the Lord you will receive the reward of the inheritance. It is the Lord Christ whom you serve.
Matt. 4:10 Then Jesus said to him, "Go, Satan! For it is written, 'YOU SHALL WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD, AND SERVE HIM ONLY.' "
John 8:50 "But I do not seek My glory; there is One who seeks and judges.
John 5:22"For not even the Father judges anyone, but He has given all judgment to the Son,
Hal:
Hi
Admin
No doubt this is going to lead us to Michael archangel . 8)
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