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What about those who have never heard the gospel?

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Jack Koons:
Zant,

I want you to know my motive here. I mean no one any disrespect. It is not my intention to accuse anyone of anything.

When I say I know I deserve to go to Hell, I am simply telling the truth. That is what makes "grace" so wonderful! I have received, and continue to receive His wonderful grace! Year by year, day by day, minute by minute, and sometimes in my darkest hour, second by second! God has given me what I do not deserve, Eternal Life; and through His grace He has given me something more, His mercy. In that mercy He has withheld His righteous hand of judgement, not sending me to Hell as I deserve. His mercies are new every morning! All this He gives me by His gracious love!

Is it wise to say I deserve He'll? Absolutely! Anything else would be a lie. Do I understand grace you ask? I may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, but because I see the greatness of my sin, I therefore see that His grace is greater.

Jack

Zant Law:

--- Quote from: Jack Koons on July 09, 2013, 10:10:00 am ---Zant,

I want you to know my motive here. I mean no one any disrespect. It is not my intention to accuse anyone of anything.

When I say I know I deserve to go to Hell, I am simply telling the truth. That is what makes "grace" so wonderful! I have received, and continue to receive His wonderful grace! Year by year, day by day, minute by minute, and sometimes in my darkest hour, second by second! God has given me what I do not deserve, Eternal Life; and through His grace He has given me something more, His mercy. In that mercy He has withheld His righteous hand of judgement, not sending me to Hell as I deserve. His mercies are new every morning! All this He gives me by His gracious love!

Is it wise to say I deserve He'll? Absolutely! Anything else would be a lie. Do I understand grace you ask? I may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, but because I see the greatness of my sin, I therefore see that His grace is greater.

Jack

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I think it was you who said you were adopted, were you old enough to have a say in your adoption?

Jack Koons:
"I think it was you who said you were adopted, were you old enough to have a say in your adoption?"

Actually, I said I was a foster child. But you raise an interesting point. To make a long story short, I was placed into the foster home my upbringing at the age of 18 months, and remained there until just after graduating from High School at 18 years old.

At about the age of 9 years old my dad called me off to the side and asked me if I would like to be adopted? My first reaction was to ask him about problems that my biological parents might present. (Yes, even at that age us foster kids were at least somewhat aware of the issues relating to their biological parents.) I'll never forget my dad's response when I said, "Yes"! (He had already knelt down on one knee to talk to me 'face to face'.) He smiled, kissed me on the forehead, and said, "Don't worry about it, I'll take care of everything".

He ran into issues he was not able to overcome, but that didn't matter! I found out that day how much he loved me! Over the years I came to the realization that not all kids want to be adopted. My foster parents have all of us the same opportunities; but we did not all respond the same to those opportunities.

Take the twelve apostles for example. Did Jesus love Peter, James, and John more than the others? I don't think so. It was not a matter of just how much Jesus loved them; but how much love they returned to Jesus, that put them in the 'inner circle'. Likewise within the 'inner circle', it was John that made it a point to be at the Saviour's side.

God offers the same love to all, we do not all choose to accept it. God's law gives us the opportunity to show our love for Him to the world; it is our choice whether to obey it or not.

Jack

Zant Law:
So you really didn't have a choice of who brought you up to adulthood. Whatever the situation is that separated you from your father it apparently happened without your consent. And I imagine that the foster family did not have to take you in, but chose to do so, the choice was not yours. From what I understand, at least in our area, foster parents get paid for raising the children. Is for you to decide if the choice they made was a blessing to you or detriment.

I believe that there was another choice made for you before the foundation of the earth, without your knowledge or consent, that will bless you for eternity. I'm not going to highlight these verses Jack, so that they can be read in context as written down for us to understand.

You made the statement on another thread, "I let the scriptures interpret themselves."

Ephesians 1 KJV

Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus: Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved . In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence; Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself: That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: In whom also we have obtained an inheritance , being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed , ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints, Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers; That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him: The eyes of your understanding being enlightened ; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints, And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe , according to the working of his mighty power, Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named , not only in this world, but also in that which is to come : And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.




--- Quote from: Jack ---Nothing should be treated with more honor and reverence than the Word of God; because it both is, and contains the Law of God.

Yet, Origin, Constantine, Semler, and Metzger, all used interpretation and "intellectual" logic to twist and tear away the Holy Scriptures. The good news is that irregardless of the hundreds of attempts by Satan (and those he influences to do his work), to destroy God's word, it remains.
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ZLaw

Jack Koons:
"So you really didn't have a choice of who brought you up to adulthood. Whatever the situation is that separated you from your father it apparently happened without your consent. And I imagine that the foster family did not have to take you in, but chose to do so, the choice was not yours. From what I understand, at least in our area, foster parents get paid for raising the children. Is for you to decide if the choice they made was a blessing to you or detriment."

I stated previously:

"Over the years I came to the realization that not all kids want to be adopted. My foster parents have all of us the same opportunities; but we did not all respond the same to those opportunities. "

Some of the foster children did in fact choose not to live in the home I lived in. (I think they made a bad choice, but it was theirs to make.)

By not agreeing with you on your understanding of scripture, does not imply that I am treating the scripture with disrespect.

You also have sidestepped the issue of Christians being responsible for disobeying the command of God to go into all nations, resulting in people not hearing the gospel.

Jack

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