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The total depravity of man
Theodore A. Jones:
--- Quote from: JB Horn on August 23, 2013, 01:59:49 pm ---Question, can you read?
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Obviously I can read.
Now that the class has checked in; what is the factoid of guilt in regard to which sin that prompted the question "Brothers what shall we do?" in Acts 2:37. Bearing in mind it is the pre-extant fact that the Holy Spirit's ministry is by the predetermined purpose of God purpose to convict the world of guilt in regard to a sin. Jn. 16:8 What is the sin?
macuser:
--- Quote from: Theodore A. Jones on August 23, 2013, 12:40:08 pm ---Incorrect! What is the corporate sin they had committed about forty five to fifty days previously and was brought to their minds in Acts 2:36 that cut, circumcised their hearts, individually? The totally depraved always give the wrong answer and go beyond what is written to shift his responsibility from obeying God in regard to sin of Jesus' crucifixion.
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Do corporate sins get corporate punishment?
Will you be charged with this nations sins, like 52,000,000 abortions?
Fat:
--- Quote from: Theodore A. Jones on August 23, 2013, 02:32:18 pm ---Obviously I can read.
Now that the class has checked in; what is the factoid of guilt in regard to which sin that prompted the question "Brothers what shall we do?" in Acts 2:37. Bearing in mind it is the pre-extant fact that the Holy Spirit's ministry is by the predetermined purpose of God purpose to convict the world of guilt in regard to a sin. Jn. 16:8 What is the sin?
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I have to agree with JB, Peter's answer was in for all sins. You can try to rewrite the Scripture but you're going to need a big eraser or a lot of whiteout.
Could they be forgiven with out the blood of the Cross? If not you really don't have a point to make, do you?
"Repent," Peter said to them, "and be baptized, each of you, in the name of Jesus the Messiah for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Theodore A. Jones:
--- Quote from: Fat on August 23, 2013, 02:52:14 pm ---I have to agree with JB, Peter's answer was in for all sins. You can try to rewrite the Scripture but you're going to need a big eraser or a lot of whiteout.
Could they be forgiven with out the blood of the Cross? If not you really don't have a point to make, do you?
"Repent," Peter said to them, "and be baptized, each of you, in the name of Jesus the Messiah for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
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If it were by the faith of repenting of sins, plural, for the forgiveness of sins then John's reason for baptism should also have resulted in receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit. But that did not happen either before Jesus was crucified nor after. Whenever John's system of faith is the practice no practitioner of that system of faith is granted the gift of being united with God by his Spirit. The exemplars are Acts 18:24-26, and Acts 19:1-7. "Do not go beyond what is written.", because you can't. Apollos and those twelve men were corrected from the same error you are insisting is the way into God's kingdom, but it is not.
Class what is the sin those on the day of Pentecost repented of in order to be forgiven of their past sins? The correct answer is a sin not sins. Never will any of you be the recipient of the gift of the Holy Spirit on the basis of repenting of sins just as those twelve in Acts 19 didn't either.
Fat:
--- Quote from: Theodore A. Jones on August 23, 2013, 03:34:05 pm ---If it were by the faith of repenting of sins, plural, for the forgiveness of sins then John's reason for baptism should also have resulted in receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit. But that did not happen either before Jesus was crucified nor after. Whenever John's system of faith is the practice no practitioner of that system of faith is granted the gift of being united with God by his Spirit. The exemplars are Acts 18:24-26, and Acts 19:1-7. "Do not go beyond what is written.", because you can't. Apollos and those twelve men were corrected from the same error you are insisting is the way into God's kingdom, but it is not.
Class what is the sin those on the day of Pentecost repented of in order to be forgiven of their past sins? The correct answer is a sin not sins. Never will any of you be the recipient of the gift of the Holy Spirit on the basis of repenting of sins just as those twelve in Acts 19 didn't either.
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As usual the Rev. Jones wants to put the horse before the cart. Either that or he's forgetting that there are two types of baptism, one done by Christ and one done by actions of man.You do not receive one baptism by receiving the other. In other words if you are baptized by water this is not mean you will receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Of course on this board we try to be biblical and point things out and I tried to change the Scriptures the suit are ill formed documents.
So what point is someone baptized by the Holy Spirit? Let's take a look at the Scriptures.
Acts 10:42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead. 43 To him give all the prophets witness , that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. 44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished , as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, 47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized , which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
Make a note that the above Scriptures are talking about Gentiles receiving the Holy Ghost before water baptism. Also note that not all heard the word but those that did receive the spirit. This falls in line with John 6:44-45 given to us by Christ.
I'm going to let the Rev. Jones point out Acts 8:17
Now the Rev. Jones claims that apparently everyone but him teaches a false doctrine on the path, which we both agree is narrow, to the kingdom of God. (Matthew 7:14)
What do we teach? John 14:6 Jesus told him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me
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