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calluna:
--- Quote from: Fat on August 29, 2011, 10:27:59 am ---How many of His sheep were in the audience He just addresses?
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A small percentage, most not even born. Jesus did not teach that only those he was speaking to were the elect.
--- Quote ---Again Christ said: Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me.
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And everyone can do that. Indeed, it is duty for all.
--- Quote ---The above scriptures.
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Peter knew that Jesus was the Christ before he was crucified and raised. Now, 'the sign of Jonah' is for all. So all who hear the gospel, or read it in Scripture, are taught by God. All that remains is to make the choice of following him or opposing him.
Fat:
--- Quote from: calluna on August 29, 2011, 10:41:57 am ---A small percentage, most not even born. Jesus did not teach that only those he was speaking to were the elect.
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But only the elect understood and that is what He was saying in Matt 13:11
--- Quote ---And everyone can do that. Indeed, it is duty for all.
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So you're saying all that heard was also taught by the Father?
--- Quote ---Peter knew that Jesus was the Christ before he was crucified and raised. Now, 'the sign of Jonah is for all'. So all who hear the gospel, or read it in Scripture, are taught by God. All that remains is to make the choice of following him or opposing him.
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Again Christ said: Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me.
He did not say Some.
You know calluna I have backed up my argument with Scripture and I have let you use your opinion to make your argument because I believe it is important to understand where you are coming from. But we have come to the point where I need to know where your opinion is coming from so please start using Scripture to make your points.
calluna:
--- Quote from: Fat linpic=70.msg277#msg277 date=1314640709 ---But only the elect understood
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And that included and includes people other than those he addressed.
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So you're saying all that heard was also taught by the Father?
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All that today hear (the full gospel of salvation) are taught by the Father. Taught more than is wanted, in most cases.
Fat:
--- Quote from: calluna on August 29, 2011, 11:07:30 am ---And that included and includes people other than those he addressed.
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Of the elect, yes.
--- Quote ---All that today hear (the full gospel of salvation) are taught by the Father. Taught more than is wanted, in most cases.
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Please back this up with scripture.
What you are saying is that if you hear the gospel you are saved. John 6:45
calluna:
--- Quote from: Fat on August 29, 2011, 11:33:36 am ---What you are saying is that if you hear the gospel you are saved. John 6:45
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On the contrary, hearing the gospel is only hearing presentation of choice to accept or refuse salvation.
'He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. Yet, to all who received him, to those who trusted in his name, he gave the right to become children of God.' Jn 1:11-12
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