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calluna:
--- Quote from: Fat on August 28, 2011, 12:58:22 pm ---Calluna,
I have to disagree with you on this one point. Understanding of the Scriptures is only for those who are called by God and taught by God. Christ did not mean for His words to be understood by everyone.
John 6:44 "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day. 45 "It is written in the prophets, 'AND THEY SHALL ALL BE TAUGHT OF GOD.' Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me. ...... 65 And He was saying, "For this reason I have said to you, that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father."
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That does not say that any person cannot come to Jesus. It certainly does not say that any person cannot understand the Bible, cannot be convicted of sin, either through reading it, or through hearing an evangelist or testimony. The gospel message a small child can understand.
Jesus here was dealing with a particular problem. He was known as an ordinary man- “Isn’t this Jesus, the son of Joseph? We know his father and mother. How can he say, ‘I came down from heaven’?” So Jesus replied that he really was from the Father, and it was the real heavenly Father whom he represented, and by whom he was supported. This passage is about Jesus, not about who is elect, and who is not.
Fat:
--- Quote from: calluna on August 28, 2011, 02:22:20 pm ---That does not say that any person cannot come to Jesus. It certainly does not say that any person cannot understand the Bible, cannot be convicted of sin, either through reading it, or through hearing an evangelist or testimony. The gospel message a small child can understand.
Jesus here was dealing with a particular problem. He was known as an ordinary man- “Isn’t this Jesus, the son of Joseph? We know his father and mother. How can he say, ‘I came down from heaven’?” So Jesus replied that he really was from the Father, and it was the real heavenly Father whom he represented, and by whom he was supported. This passage is about Jesus, not about who is elect, and who is not.
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Matthew 13:10 And the disciples came and said to Him, "Why do You speak to them in parables ?" 11 Jesus answered them, "To you it has been granted to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been granted. 12 "For whoever has, to him more shall be given, and he will have an abundance ; but whoever does not have, even what he has shall be taken away from him. 13 "Therefore I speak to them in parables ; because while seeing they do not see, and while hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. 14 "In their case the prophecy of Isaiah is being fulfilled, which says, 'YOU WILL KEEP ON HEARING, BUT WILL NOT UNDERSTAND ; YOU WILL KEEP ON SEEING, BUT WILL NOT PERCEIVE ; 15 FOR THE HEART OF THIS PEOPLE HAS BECOME DULL, WITH THEIR EARS THEY SCARCELY HEAR, AND THEY HAVE CLOSED THEIR EYES, OTHERWISE THEY WOULD SEE WITH THEIR EYES, HEAR WITH THEIR EARS, AND UNDERSTAND WITH THEIR HEART AND RETURN, AND I WOULD HEAL THEM.' 16 "But blessed are your eyes, because they see ; and your ears, because they hear. 17 "For truly I say to you that many prophets and righteous men desired to see what you see, and did not see it, and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it.
calluna:
--- Quote from: Fat on August 28, 2011, 02:39:19 pm ---Matthew 13
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If you'll excuse me, I do find red lettering, and capitals too, rather difficult to read. But I recognise the passage, so I'll get by. :)
Why did Jesus speak to people who could not accept him?
Fat:
--- Quote from: calluna on August 28, 2011, 03:03:13 pm ---If you'll excuse me, I do find red lettering, and capitals too, rather difficult to read. But I recognise the passage, so I'll get by. :)
Why did Jesus speak to people who could not accept him?
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Sorry about the red type, if it is hard for you to read I'll uses another color when posting to you.
My Bible (NAS) capitalizes all quotes of the Old Testament prophesy used in the NT. In this case it is Isaiah 6:9-10.
As to answering your question, the answer is obvious in the Isaiah quote. Read vs 14 again.
calluna:
--- Quote from: Fat on August 28, 2011, 04:07:20 pm ---Sorry about the red type, if it is hard for you to read I'll uses another color when posting to you.
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Thank you.
--- Quote ---As to answering your question, the answer is obvious in the Isaiah quote. Read vs 14 again.
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I regret it is not obvious to me.
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