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The Soul and the Spirit
Fat:
--- Quote from: Alexander Winslow on July 31, 2014, 06:22:46 pm ---You seem to be a little mixed up here, the only way one can be born again is to be raised up after death as an immortal spirit creature in the same manner as Christ Jesus.
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Not exactly what the Scriptures teach.
1 Peter 4:6 NAS
For the gospel has for this purpose been preached even to those who are dead, that though they are judged in the flesh as men, they may live in the spirit according to the will of God.
Romans 8:10 NAS
If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness.
Alex I understand now that you are writing your own translation of the bible, and your writings (PDF files on your web site) make it clear that you have a problem with understanding the most simple verses. I do wish you the best in your endeavors but choose not to be involved in any debates with you.
Jhon 17:14 "I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 15 "I do not ask You to take them out of the world, but to keep them from the evil one. 16 "They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 17 "Sanctify them in the truth; Your word is truth. 18 "As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. 19 "For their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they themselves also may be sanctified in truth. 20 "I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word; 21 that they may all be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.
God speed.
Fat
Alexander Winslow:
Thank you Fat,
I understand, but the scriptures which you are quoting are actually out of context; you are referring them to the wrong people.
Alexander
Fat:
--- Quote from: Alexander Winslow on August 05, 2014, 05:13:06 pm ---Thank you Fat,
I understand, but the scriptures which you are quoting are actually out of context; you are referring them to the wrong people.
Alexander
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IN CONTEXT
1 Peter 4:1Therefore, since Christ has suffered in the flesh, arm yourselves also with the same purpose, because he who has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin, 2 so as to live the rest of the time in the flesh no longer for the lusts of men, but for the will of God. 3 For the time already past is sufficient for you to have carried out the desire of the Gentiles, having pursued a course of sensuality, lusts, drunkenness, carousing, drinking parties and abominable idolatries. 4 In all this, they are surprised that you do not run with them into the same excesses of dissipation, and they malign you; 5 but they will give account to Him who is ready to judge the living and the dead. 6 For the gospel has for this purpose been preached even to those who are dead, that though they are judged in the flesh as men, they may live in the spirit according to the will of God. 7 The end of all things is near; therefore, be of sound judgment and sober spirit for the purpose of prayer. 8 Above all, keep fervent in your love for one another, because love covers a multitude of sins. 9 Be hospitable to one another without complaint. 10 As each one has received a special gift, employ it in serving one another as good stewards of the manifold grace of God. 11 Whoever speaks, is to do so as one who is speaking the utterances of God; whoever serves is to do so as one who is serving by the strength which God supplies; so that in all things God may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom belongs the glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.
You seem not to understand what the death spoken of is referring to.
--- Quote ---The NAS New Testament Greek Lexicon
Strong's Number: 3498
Original Word Word Origin
nekroß from an apparently primary nekus (a corpse)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Nekros 4:892,627
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
nek-ros' Adjective
Definition
properly
one that has breathed his last, lifeless
deceased, departed, one whose soul is in heaven or hell
destitute of life, without life, inanimate
metaph.
spiritually dead
destitute of a life that recognises and is devoted to God, because given up to trespasses and sins
inactive as respects doing right
destitute of force or power, inactive, inoperative
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Your home made bible and theology is flawed.
Alexander Winslow:
Fat,
No, I do not use a 'home-made' Bible; in fact I use more than one translation according to the situation.
You seem to be a little confused regarding the resurrection of which there is actually two. The first one which Paul describes as the first-fruits which were foreshadowed by the original offerings by the Jews while they were under God's hand, applies only to the anointed heavenly 'little flock' who are the 'chosen' Israel of God and will rule for a thousand years over the rest of resurrected ma kind. (Revelation 20:6)
The 'second' resurrection takes place during this thousand year reign and includes everyone who has ever lived since Adam. The Apostle Paul confirms this when he informs us that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous. (Acts 24:15)
Now as for the understanding of death, those of the chosen ''anointed, like the Apostles Paul, remained 'dead' in God's eyes until they were chosen; when they became alive in God's eyes in readiness for their heavenly 'born again' position.
The rest of mankind however, remain 'dead' in God's eyes until the end of the thousand year reign of the Christ, when providing they hold their stand against Satan; will then become declared 'alive' in God's eyes.
“…And they came to life and ruled as kings with the Christ for a thousand years. 5 This is the first resurrection. The rest of the dead did not come to life until the end of the thousand years.” [This is the second resurrection (Acts 24:15)] (Revelation 20:4, 5 ) NMTCS
So here we have the Bible's word and not mine, that the rest of the 'dead' outside of the anointed heavenly 'little flock' do not come to life until all is complete.
No 'flaw' here, just straight scripture.
Alexander
Fat:
Acts 24:15
Yes Alex, the dead will be resurrected and the wicked of them shall spend eternity in Hell, no annihilation Alex, eternal punishment.
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