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Bible Talk => General => Topic started by: freeman4 on August 21, 2013, 05:43:01 am
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I was just curious, is there anyone who really understands what is coming and are you preparing for it? What are you doing if you are.
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This is a good question and deserves an answer, but the answer that one gives may not be the answer to ones liking.
I know that there are individuals who say that God will take care of everything for us when things really begin to happen, but is that what He said.
There are events coming that many are not prepared for and that includes many Christians. We are warned all through scripture about these things.
Many Denominational Church Minister seem to understand about the coming destruction of America but they don't really know why it will happen. According to the Bible America will experience catastrophic events and that they will happen in our life time. Yes, many do believe that we who live in the United States will experience very troubled times, but they do not understand why.
It is better to be safe than sorry. If we had a disaster over night and all store were shut down, no one could get food, how long will they last? How many have seen a little stomach swell up because of nothing to eat.
It just might pay one to stock up on at least some dried beans and rice and anything else that may no spoil for a short period of time.
What if one believes in the Rapture and it does not occur, then what. One needs some kink of preparation for them and their family. You may get hungry at that time.
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I was just curious, is there anyone who really understands what is coming and are you preparing for it? What are you doing if you are.
If you are one of Christ people then you are not really concerned with what is coming for the earth. John 17, we are not of this world only in this world. What did Paul say about meeting Christ in the clouds?
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This is a good question and deserves an answer, but the answer that one gives may not be the answer to ones liking.
I know that there are individuals who say that God will take care of everything for us when things really begin to happen, but is that what He said.
There are events coming that many are not prepared for and that includes many Christians. We are warned all through scripture about these things.
Many Denominational Church Minister seem to understand about the coming destruction of America but they don't really know why it will happen. According to the Bible America will experience catastrophic events and that they will happen in our life time. Yes, many do believe that we who live in the United States will experience very troubled times, but they do not understand why.
It is better to be safe than sorry. If we had a disaster over night and all store were shut down, no one could get food, how long will they last? How many have seen a little stomach swell up because of nothing to eat.
It just might pay one to stock up on at least some dried beans and rice and anything else that may no spoil for a short period of time.
What if one believes in the Rapture and it does not occur, then what. One needs some kink of preparation for them and their family. You may get hungry at that time.
You either believe what the Scriptures say or you don't, it's called faith.
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What if one believes in the Rapture and it does not occur, then what. One needs some kink of preparation for them and their family. You may get hungry at that time.
Wholeee gee hog!
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When one is saved are they suppose to shut their Bible and never read it again or are they just to re assure themselves that they are saved and they do not have to worry about anything. Is that what Jesus said, have a party and I will take care of everything.
What about Prophecy after Prophecy that states that destruction is coming and be prepared for it?
Hsa 4:9
And it will be: Like people, like priests. I will punish both of them for their ways and repay them for their deeds.
Luk 21:26
"men's hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken
Joel 2:1-2 - "For the day of the Lord comes, for it is nigh at hand: a day of darkness and gloominess, there has not ever been the like: neither shall be any more after it, even the years of many generations."
There are many scriptures that point to a time like we now live and there will be those who will be caught in a trap because of not watching.
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When one is saved are they suppose to shut their Bible and never read it again or are they just to re assure themselves that they are saved and they do not have to worry about anything. Is that what Jesus said, have a party and I will take care of everything.
When one is saved you drawn closer to the Lord and closer into Scripture. When one is saved you trust in the Lord and you trust in God's word.
What about Prophecy after Prophecy that states that destruction is coming and be prepared for it?
Hsa 4:9
And it will be: Like people, like priests. I will punish both of them for their ways and repay them for their deeds.
Luk 21:26
"men's hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken
Joel 2:1-2 - "For the day of the Lord comes, for it is nigh at hand: a day of darkness and gloominess, there has not ever been the like: neither shall be any more after it, even the years of many generations."
There are many scriptures that point to a time like we now live and there will be those who will be caught in a trap because of not watching.
Let's see what your quoted verses really say.
Hosea 4:4 Yet let no one find fault, and let none offer reproof ; For your people are like those who contend with the priest. 5 So you will stumble by day, And the prophet also will stumble with you by night ; And I will destroy your mother. 6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I also will reject you from being My priest. Since you have forgotten the law of your God, I also will forget your children. 7 The more they multiplied, the more they sinned against Me; I will change their glory into shame. 8 They feed on the sin of My people And direct their desire toward their iniquity. 9 And it will be, like people, like priest ; So I will punish them for their ways And repay them for their deeds. 10 They will eat, but not have enough ; They will play the harlot, but not increase, Because they have stopped giving heed to the LORD.
Luke 21:25 "There will be signs in sun and moon and stars, and on the earth dismay among nations, in perplexity at the roaring of the sea and the waves, 26 men fainting from fear and the expectation of the things which are coming upon the world ; for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 27 "Then they will see THE SON OF MAN COMING IN A CLOUD with power and great glory. 28 "But when these things begin to take place, straighten up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near."
Joel 2:18 Then the LORD will be zealous for His land And will have pity on His people. 19 The LORD will answer and say to His people, "Behold, I am going to send you grain, new wine and oil, And you will be satisfied in full with them; And I will never again make you a reproach among the nations. 20 "But I will remove the northern army far from you, And I will drive it into a parched and desolate land, And its vanguard into the eastern sea, And its rear guard into the western sea. And its stench will arise and its foul smell will come up, For it has done great things." 21 Do not fear, O land, rejoice and be glad, For the LORD has done great things.
Freeman4
When the Lord sent his disciples out into the land to preach the gospel He ordered them not to bring any food are extra clothing. Christ wanted His disciples to learn to depend on him for all things. Apparently there are people who feel that they cannot depend on God for what they need and turn instead to themselves believing that they are more capable of supplying their own needs than depending on God.
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You might also want to consider why God would not allow the Jewish people to collect more than one days worth of manna when they were in the desert. It was because He wanted them to become completely dependent on his gift, a gift of salvation, a gift of life.
Moss
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Every one is a free moral agent and will do what they feel will be necessary for them. Jesus Christ was the God of the Old testament, He gave Moses the 10 commandments, wrestled with Jacob, talked to Adam and Eve and gave many warnings about our time.
I am so sorry if one can not understand that.
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Every one is a free moral agent and will do what they feel will be necessary for them.
Free moral agent :o
I've never heard a Christian say anything close to that. I think I'll give that a name, call it a Romans 1 Christian.
19 because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. 21 For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures. 24 Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. 25 For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. 26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions ; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural , 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil ; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice ; they are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful ; 32 and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.
Jesus Christ was the God of the Old testament, He gave Moses the 10 commandments, wrestled with Jacob, talked to Adam and Eve and gave many warnings about our time.
I am so sorry if one can not understand that.
I understand that the Scriptues are one testament to Christ. 2 tim 3:15 and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness.
So tell, me using your moral standards (Being a free moral agent) what exactly are you going to do when your neighbor comes to you and ask for food in these hard times to come?
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Only a very select few will know where we will be located because of what we know is coming.
No, I do not adhere to the rapture, but a place of a place of protection which God gives us knowledge through Scripture to prepare for what is coming.
And when I say free moral agent I mean it is our choice if we choose Christ or the way of this world. He said that he gives us a choice and that is Life, eternal life or eternal death. He hoped we would chose Life. It is our choice once we see His way.
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Only a very select few will know where we will be located because of what we know is coming.
No, I do not adhere to the rapture, but a place of a place of protection which God gives us knowledge through Scripture to prepare for what is coming.
And when I say free moral agent I mean it is our choice if we choose Christ or the way of this world. He said that he gives us a choice and that is Life, eternal life or eternal death. He hoped we would chose Life. It is our choice once we see His way.
In whom also we have obtained an inheritance , being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
For whom he did foreknow , he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate , them he also called : and whom he called , them he also justified : and whom he justified , them he also glorified .
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Only a very select few will know where we will be located because of what we know is coming.
You going to make a movie?
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I can truly state that what id now happening in the Middle East will lead to WW 111 and will be like nothing you have ever seen in your life time. If one wants to believe it or not is their choice and when it does happen and they are still here, no rapture, what then? See how far God will protect those at that time. Open your eyes and see what is happening.
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I can truly state that what id now happening in the Middle East will lead to WW 111 and will be like nothing you have ever seen in your life time. If one wants to believe it or not is their choice and when it does happen and they are still here, no rapture, what then? See how far God will protect those at that time. Open your eyes and see what is happening.
Jerusalem has not yet come under complete possession of the Jews.
WW3, the same was said about WW2. The fall of America is happening without a war, from within it is decaying.
Are you afraid of death?
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You either believe what the Scriptures say or you don't, it's called faith.
Hello Fat, and everybody,
If you are one of Christ people then you are not really concerned with what is coming for the earth. John 17, we are not of this world only in this world. What did Paul say about meeting Christ in the clouds?
I am glad you are one of Christ’s, and that you quoted John 17. I have been looking for someone who does that, because John 17 tells us how we know that we belong to God,- if we are not sure.
John 17:6 "I have manifested Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word.
John 17:11 "Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are.
John 17:12 "While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.
John 17:26 "And I have declared to them Your name, and will declare it, that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them."
I look forward to talking to one of God’s chosen.
I think the question was,
is there anyone who really understands what is coming and are you preparing for it? What are you doing if you are.
I understand what is happening, We are entering the great tribulation. That is the bad news, the good news is Christ will return immediately after the tribulation, in about 8 Years.
Matthew 24:29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
Matthew 24”30 "Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Now, what am I doing? I am telling people to get prepared. Christ tells us that it will be as in the days of Noah. What did our God tell Noah to do? Prepare a place of safety for himself and those that would be with him.,(a big boat) and collect food.
Gen 6:14 "Make yourself an ark of gopherwood; make rooms in the ark, and cover it inside and outside with pitch.
Gen 6:21 "And you shall take for yourself of all food that is eaten, and you shall gather it to yourself; and it shall be food for you and for them."
Gen 6:22 Thus Noah did; according to all that God commanded him, so he did.
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Hello Fat, and everybody,
I am glad you are one of Christ’s, and that you quoted John 17. I have been looking for someone who does that, because John 17 tells us how we know that we belong to God,- if we are not sure.
John 17:6 "I have manifested Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word.
John 17:11 "Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are.
John 17:12 "While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.
John 17:26 "And I have declared to them Your name, and will declare it, that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them."
I look forward to talking to one of God’s chosen.
Hello TW
FYI you'll find the majority of the regulars here are Calvinist, but not hyper-Calvinist.
I think the question was,
I understand what is happening, We are entering the great tribulation. That is the bad news, the good news is Christ will return immediately after the tribulation, in about 8 Years.
Matthew 24:29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
Matthew 24”30 "Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Now, what am I doing? I am telling people to get prepared. Christ tells us that it will be as in the days of Noah. What did our God tell Noah to do? Prepare a place of safety for himself and those that would be with him.,(a big boat) and collect food.
Gen 6:14 "Make yourself an ark of gopherwood; make rooms in the ark, and cover it inside and outside with pitch.
Gen 6:21 "And you shall take for yourself of all food that is eaten, and you shall gather it to yourself; and it shall be food for you and for them."
Gen 6:22 Thus Noah did; according to all that God commanded him, so he did.
If you don't believe in the rapture you may want to consider this:
Matthew 24:15 "So when you see the abomination that causes desolation , spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place" (let the reader understand) , 16 "then those in Judea must flee to the mountains! 17 A man on the housetop must not come down to get things out of his house. 18 And a man in the field must not go back to get his clothes. 19 Woe to pregnant women and nursing mothers in those days! 20 Pray that your escape may not be in winter or on a Sabbath. 21 For at that time there will be great tribulation, the kind that hasn't taken place from the beginning of the world until now and never will again! 22 Unless those days were limited, no one would survive. But those days will be limited because of the elect. 23 "If anyone tells you then, 'Look, here is the Messiah!' or, 'Over here!' do not believe it! 24 False messiahs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. 25 Take note: I have told you in advance. 26 So if they tell you, 'Look, he's in the wilderness!' don't go out; 'Look, he's in the inner rooms!' do not believe it. 27 For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28 Wherever the carcass is, there the vultures will gather.
The real problem that I see here about people that want to store up food and other supplies and then hide it when the times get tough are not really practicing the example given to us by Christ.
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Hey Fat,
FYI you'll find the majority of the regulars here are Calvinist, but not hyper-Calvinist.
I think you for the information, but I don’t know much about the cubby-holes people put themselves in. Is a Calvinist a Seven Day Adventist? It don’t matter what you are when God calls you, when you seek God, you will find the truth.
I am not of a denomination or cubby- hole that you would be used to. I am a lowly servant of God, sealed with the seal of God, and taught by God.
John 6:44 "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:45 "It is written in the prophets, 'And they shall all be taught by God.' Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me.
If you don't believe in the rapture you may want to consider this:
You posted Matthew 24: 15, and that is answering the question ask in Matthew 24:3 about when Christ would return. You would have to point out what scripture has something about a rapture, I don’t see it.
The real problem that I see here about people that want to store up food and other supplies and then hide it when the times get tough are not really practicing the example given to us by Christ.
Preparation is something a person should really study about, but we don’t have much time left.
Luke 12:47 "And that servant who knew his master's will, and did not prepare himself or do according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
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TW I agree. God told Noah what to do and how many animals were to be put in the Ark. 7 clean animals and some of those would be used for a food source and 2 of each that were considered unclean for re production on the Earth after the flood.
God is doing the same today, giving a warning and what we should do to prepare for what is coming. When it come time and people are not raptured off then they will know what they should have done. Believe me, they will go hungry.
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Hey Fat,
I think you for the information, but I don’t know much about the cubby-holes people put themselves in. Is a Calvinist a Seven Day Adventist? It don’t matter what you are when God calls you, when you seek God, you will find the truth.
Very disingenuous of you TW. You know what a calvinist is as well as I do, in fact you preach election. You also know Calvinism is not a denomination.
I am not of a denomination or cubby- hole that you would be used to. I am a lowly servant of God, sealed with the seal of God, and taught by God.
Actually you are in a CUBBY-HOLE, you and Freeman4 run a web site that he is founder and you are a member of his admin staff.
http://propheticnewsfortheendtimes.lefora.com/ (http://propheticnewsfortheendtimes.lefora.com/)
Quite a cubby-hole indeed.
John 6:44 "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:45 "It is written in the prophets, 'And they shall all be taught by God.' Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me.
You posted Matthew 24: 15, and that is answering the question ask in Matthew 24:3 about when Christ would return. You would have to point out what scripture has something about a rapture, I don’t see it.
Preparation is something a person should really study about, but we don’t have much time left.
Luke 12:47 "And that servant who knew his master's will, and did not prepare himself or do according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
Philippians 4:19 And my God will supply all your needs according to His riches in glory in Christ Jesus.
Matthew 6:26 “Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much better than they?"
John 14:13-14 “Whatsoever you shall ask in My Name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you shall ask anything in My Name, I will do it.”
John 16:23-24 “Whatsoever you shall ask the Father in My Name, He will give it to you. Hitherto have you asked nothing in My Name: ask and you shall receive, that your joy may be full.”
Romans 8:32 “He that spared not his own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things.”
But here is the big one TW Genesis 22:14 And Abraham named that place The Lord Will Provide, so today it is said: "It will be provided on the Lord's mountain."
I would suggest to passing readers they follow the link to your site and see exactly how much trust you put in God.
Does your little cubby-hole trust God to deliver on His promises?
As far as your question on the rapture I made no claim on this thread because it has nothing to do with the problem you present about turning to yourself for your own deliverance. The rapture means nothing to anyones salvation, does it? But not trusting God does.
Luke 12:47 is not talking about preparation for war, if that is where you and freedman4 are coming from I think you need study it a little more. It is about your salvation.
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Very disingenuous of you TW. You know what a calvinist is as well as I do, in fact you preach election. You also know Calvinism is not a denomination.
I am not disingenuous, I do not know what a Calvinist is. I ask Freeman this morning and he also didn’t know, said he would look it up. He hasn’t got back to me. If you can’t answer, it’s ok, I really don’t need to know. I was just trying to be friendly. As for as the Elect or chosen of God, If you don’t think there is a Elect, You can’t be one. I didn’t think anyone didn’t believe there was a Elect or Chosen people of God.
Actually you are in a CUBBY-HOLE, you and Freeman4 run a web site that he is founder and you are a member of his admin staff.
http://propheticnewsfortheendtimes.lefora.com/ (http://propheticnewsfortheendtimes.lefora.com/)
Quite a cubby-hole indeed.
I don’t think we have the same definition of a cubby-hole. There are names people give themselves and others. I was once called a reformist, and was told it was from the protestant reforming and leaving the Catholic church. I don’t think I am, because I am not a protestant. Freeman does have a forum, I am part of it, I also have a web site, www.troywtaylor.com (http://www.troywtaylor.com)
Philippians 4:19 And my God will supply all your needs according to His riches in glory in Christ Jesus.
Matthew 6:26 “Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much better than they?"
I agree, But people might be given the means to supply their needs now, for when needed.
John 14:13-14 “Whatsoever you shall ask in My Name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you shall ask anything in My Name, I will do it.”
John 16:23-24 “Whatsoever you shall ask the Father in My Name, He will give it to you. Hitherto have you asked nothing in My Name: ask and you shall receive, that your joy may be full.”
Again I agree with all scripture. I suppose you Know Christ’s name, You will need to know His new name, so you can ask the father in Christ’s name.
Revelation 3:12 "He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. And I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God. And I will write on him My new name.
Romans 8:32 “He that spared not his own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things.”
I agree, God will give us all things we need, I think these things are being given now, for when they are needed so people won’t starve in the great tribulation.
But here is the big one TW Genesis 22:14 And Abraham named that place The Lord Will Provide, so today it is said: "It will be provided on the Lord's mountain."
I think I am agreeing that God will provide, I am saying God is providing now and most people are hoarding there money that is being provided to get the things that are needed for them and their family to survive the worse time in the history of the world.
Eze 7:19 'They will throw their silver into the streets, And their gold will be like refuse; Their silver and their gold will not be able to deliver them In the day of the wrath of the Lord; They will not satisfy their souls, Nor fill their stomachs, Because it became their stumbling block of iniquity.
I would suggest to passing readers they follow the link to your site and see exactly how much trust you put in God.
I also agree,
http://propheticnewsfortheendtimes.lefora.com/ (http://propheticnewsfortheendtimes.lefora.com/)
www.troywtaylor.com (http://www.troywtaylor.com)
Does your little cubby-hole trust God to deliver on His promises?
I am a individual, not always agreeing with others, even in our cubby-hole. My web site is all the Holy Spirit through me, I just hit the keys as I’m told.
As far as your question on the rapture I made no claim on this thread because it has nothing to do with the problem you present about turning to yourself for your own deliverance. The rapture means nothing to anyones salvation, does it? But not trusting God does
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I don’t think I said anything about a rapture.
I don’t believe in trusting myself to my own deliverance
Correct, The rapture means nothing to anyones salvation,
But yes, trusting in God does.
Luke 12:47 is not talking about preparation for war, if that is where you and freedman4 are coming from I think you need study it a little more. It is about your salvation.
No it is not, It is talking about war. It is talking about knowing what the Master’s will is and preparing for it, If those who understand and don’t prepare, they will suffer. If you are given nothing, (no knowledge of what is coming) will suffer less. Do you think the bible says there will be no war in the end times? Freeman is into current events, that could have something to do with bible prophecy of the end times, but that is Freeman, I’m TW, A different person.
Luke 12:46 "the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.
Luke 12:47 "And that servant who knew his master's will, and did not prepare himself or do according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
Luke 12:48 "But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few. For everyone to whom much is given, from him much will be required; and to whom much has been committed, of him they will ask the more.
Is everybody as unfriendly, rude, and ignorant as you?
Freeman told me you were a nice group of people and I would enjoy talking to you, I think he was wrong. You have got the warning, The Kingdom of God is at hand. Get prepared or die.
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No it is not, It is talking about war. It is talking about knowing what the Master’s will is and preparing for it, If those who understand and don’t prepare, they will suffer. If you are given nothing, (no knowledge of what is coming) will suffer less. Do you think the bible says there will be no war in the end times? Freeman is into current events, that could have something to do with bible prophecy of the end times, but that is Freeman, I’m TW, A different person.
Of course there will be war, are you scared of war? Are you scared of death?
I don’t think we have the same definition of a cubby-hole. There are names people give themselves and others. I was once called a reformist, and was told it was from the protestant reforming and leaving the Catholic church. I don’t think I am, because I am not a protestant.
Prot•es•tant (ˈprɒt ə stənt or, for 4,6, prəˈtɛs tənt)
n.
1. any Western Christian not an adherent of a Catholic, Anglican, or Eastern Church.
2. any of the German princes who protested against the decision of the Diet of Speyer in 1529, which had denounced the Reformation.
3. (l.c.) a person who protests.
adj.
4. belonging or pertaining to Protestants or their religion.
5. (l.c.) protesting.
[1530–40; < German or French, for Latin prōtestantēs, pl. of present participle of prōtestārī to bear public witness. See protest, -ant]
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Is everybody as unfriendly, rude, and ignorant as you?
This is not a PC board. Political Correctness is a cancer in the Church. Try this board it's probably what you're looking for. http://www.christianforums.com/ (http://www.christianforums.com/)
I am not disingenuous, I do not know what a Calvinist is. I ask Freeman this morning and he also didn’t know, said he would look it up. He hasn’t got back to me. If you can’t answer, it’s ok, I really don’t need to know. I was just trying to be friendly. As for as the Elect or chosen of God, If you don’t think there is a Elect, You can’t be one. I didn’t think anyone didn’t believe there was a Elect or Chosen people of God.
Well you go find out and we'll continue this conversation, until then God bless and have a nice memorial day weekend.
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Freeman4
Is it true what TW said, that you and him do not know what a Calvinist is? Do you know what an Arminian is?
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I have already faced death once, 7;200 volts of electricity. I know what it was, nothing, you know nothing. Do not tell me about death. When this happens you turn to God and you CHECK HIM OUT. You seek Him and then He begins to work with you. He said SEEK ME.
Proverbs 8:17
I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me.
You have TO SEEK HIM AND HIS TRUTH, YOU CAN NOT WAIT ON IT OR YOU WILL BE LEFT IN THE DARK.
Jeremiah 29:13
And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.
Now you tell me Fat, how can you know God unless you seek, I want to know. That is the problem with individuals , they don't even know what seeking is. They say, just believe and you are OK. Believe what? Tell me, I want to know.
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TW you need to read your bible. I took a look at your site and was interested that you could not figure the the 144,000 are. THEY ARE JEWS TW!
Revelation 7:4 And I heard the number of those who were sealed, one hundred and forty-four thousand sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel : 5 the tribe of Judah, twelve thousand were sealed, from the tribe of Reuben twelve thousand, from the tribe of Gad twelve thousand, 6 the tribe of Asher twelve thousand, from the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand, from the tribe of Manasseh twelve thousand, 7 the tribe of Simeon twelve thousand, from the tribe of Levi twelve thousand, from the tribe of Issachar twelve thousand, 8 the tribe of Zebulun twelve thousand, from the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand, from the tribe of Benjamin, twelve thousand were sealed.
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I have already faced death once, 7;200 volts of electricity. I know what it was, nothing, you know nothing. Do not tell me about death. When this happens you turn to God and you CHECK HIM OUT. You seek Him and then He begins to work with you. He said SEEK ME.
Proverbs 8:17
I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me.
You have TO SEEK HIM AND HIS TRUTH, YOU CAN NOT WAIT ON IT OR YOU WILL BE LEFT IN THE DARK.
Jeremiah 29:13
And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.
Now you tell me Fat, how can you know God unless you seek, I want to know. That is the problem with individuals , they don't even know what seeking is. They say, just believe and you are OK. Believe what? Tell me, I want to know.
I'm 68 years young, been in 3 gun battles, have knife scars all over my body and have taken 15K volts DC when I was 14 years old (it's the amperage that counts). I have jumped out of C-130s, C-119s, C-124s, C-141s and hueys. I have hit a cement wall at 73 MPH so hard that it bent the barrel of my gun.
I know nothing?
You think man seeks God without a calling?
Ephesians 1:5 he predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will--......11 In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will,
Romans 3:11
THERE IS NONE WHO UNDERSTANDS, THERE IS NONE WHO SEEKS FOR GOD ;
John 6:65 And He was saying, "For this reason I have said to you, that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father."
Do you trust God? Or yourself?
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I have already faced death once, 7;200 volts of electricity. I know what it was, nothing, you know nothing. Do not tell me about death. When this happens you turn to God and you CHECK HIM OUT. You seek Him and then He begins to work with you. He said SEEK ME.
Proverbs 8:17
I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me.
You have TO SEEK HIM AND HIS TRUTH, YOU CAN NOT WAIT ON IT OR YOU WILL BE LEFT IN THE DARK.
Jeremiah 29:13
And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.
Now you tell me Fat, how can you know God unless you seek, I want to know. That is the problem with individuals , they don't even know what seeking is. They say, just believe and you are OK. Believe what? Tell me, I want to know.
WOW and you're already for war ;D
You are fighting a war NOW Freeman4. Put your trust in God.
Deuteronomy 1:30 'The LORD your God who goes before you will Himself fight on your behalf, just as He did for you in Egypt before your eyes, 31 and in the wilderness where you saw how the LORD your God carried you, just as a man carries his son, in all the way which you have walked until you came to this place.' 32 "But for all this, you did not trust the LORD your God, 33 who goes before you on your way, to seek out a place for you to encamp, in fire by night and cloud by day, to show you the way in which you should go.
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My trust is in God and Him only and he has given a command to those who understand His will and yes He has a will and that is to warn the House of Israel in which you do not know exist. Do not know your nationality but that is OK, a gentile can still be grafted into the Body of Christ.
God will not verbally come down and give you or anyone else a warning of what is to come. o, by the way, I am 74 and a Marine and 40 years a Christian. Back to God giving warning.
Hsa 4:1
Hear the word of the LORD, you Israelites, because the LORD has a charge to bring against you who live in the land: "There is no faithfulness, no love, no acknowledgment of God in the land.
Hsa 4:6
my people are destroyed from lack of knowledge. "Because you have rejected knowledge, I also reject you as my priests; because you have ignored the law of your God, I also will ignore your children.
Hsa 5:3
I know all about Ephraim; Israel is not hidden from me. Ephraim, you have now turned to prostitution; Israel is corrupt.
This is describing the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, modern day Ephraim. No, you want understand it for it has been hidden from you and many more.
That is why one must seek out Gods truth. I am not saying believe me, I am saying believe God and what He has to say. If He is not giving you the urge to seek these things out then you are above all being miss lead. There is only One God, one Group of people that will be His Elect, not many groups.
Yes, there may be some in groups that are being guided by God because of them seeking His truth because they want to know and not to just say " You don't know what you are talking about".
Believe me time will come when you will remember all that has been talked about here and you will know then what the truth really is.
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o, by the way, I am 74 and a Marine and 40 years a Christian.
From your post on your site :
I am a Christian of 36 years and follow the Laws of God and the Statutes that are mentioned in Scripture. Adhere to the Sabbath, 7 Day, Saturday.
31 August 2013 02:31 PM
Who doesn't know what a Calvinist is and would rather fight for yourself than God. And believes that patriotisum is somehow related to christianity. You are seeking God at the same time you are saying you found Him. And scared to death of electricity , and apparently believes America is the new Israel.
Passing readers please read Hosea 4 and 5 in context so and you will see it has nothing to do with the USA but to a people.
Do ever notice that Cults are the only ones that have the TRUTH from the bible. They all have a little truth and an lot of lie.
The serpent said to the woman, "You surely will not die ! "For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."
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My trust is in God and Him only and he has given a command to those who understand His will and yes He has a will and that is to warn the House of Israel in which you do not know exist. Do not know your nationality but that is OK, a gentile can still be grafted into the Body of Christ.
God will not verbally come down and give you or anyone else a warning of what is to come. o, by the way, I am 74 and a Marine and 40 years a Christian. Back to God giving warning.
Hsa 4:1
Hear the word of the LORD, you Israelites, because the LORD has a charge to bring against you who live in the land: "There is no faithfulness, no love, no acknowledgment of God in the land.
Hsa 4:6
my people are destroyed from lack of knowledge. "Because you have rejected knowledge, I also reject you as my priests; because you have ignored the law of your God, I also will ignore your children.
Hsa 5:3
I know all about Ephraim; Israel is not hidden from me. Ephraim, you have now turned to prostitution; Israel is corrupt.
This is describing the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, modern day Ephraim. No, you want understand it for it has been hidden from you and many more.
That is why one must seek out Gods truth. I am not saying believe me, I am saying believe God and what He has to say. If He is not giving you the urge to seek these things out then you are above all being miss lead. There is only One God, one Group of people that will be His Elect, not many groups.
Yes, there may be some in groups that are being guided by God because of them seeking His truth because they want to know and not to just say " You don't know what you are talking about".
Believe me time will come when you will remember all that has been talked about here and you will know then what the truth really is.
I have to admit Freeman your doctrine of how to follow Christ is right on the money. Didn't Christ say, "grab your guns and horde your food"?
Matthew 16:24
Then Jesus said to His disciples, "If anyone wants to come with Me, he must deny himself, take up his cross, and follow Me.
Mark 10:21
Then, looking at him, Jesus loved him and said to him, "You lack one thing: Go, sell all you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow Me.
Matthew 10:38
And whoever doesn't take up his cross and follow Me is not worthy of Me.
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From your post on your site :
I am a Christian of 36 years and follow the Laws of God and the Statutes that are mentioned in Scripture. Adhere to the Sabbath, 7 Day, Saturday.
31 August 2013 02:31 PM
Who doesn't know what a Calvinist is and would rather fight for yourself than God. And believes that patriotisum is somehow related to christianity. You are seeking God at the same time you are saying you found Him. And scared to death of electricity , and apparently believes America is the new Israel.
Passing readers please read Hosea 4 and 5 in context so and you will see it has nothing to do with the USA but to a people.
Do ever notice that Cults are the only ones that have the TRUTH from the bible. They all have a little truth and an lot of lie.
The serpent said to the woman, "You surely will not die ! "For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."
Before I would call him a cultist I would want to know his view on the Trinity and salvation. Even though it appears salvation to him is an earthly enterprise I don't know enough for sure on what he believes, he can't get passed his fear of death and lacks trust but so do others of God's chosen. Look at Peter and his denial.
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TW you need to read your bible. I took a look at your site and was interested that you could not figure the the 144,000 are. THEY ARE JEWS TW!
Zant Law, You need to read what you posted. Verse 5 says there are only 12,000 Jews, (the tribe of Judah) and 12,000 from each of the other tribes of Israel. (except Dan was left out)
Revelation 7:4 And I heard the number of those who were sealed, one hundred and forty-four thousand sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel : 5 the tribe of Judah, twelve thousand were sealed, from the tribe of Reuben twelve thousand, from the tribe of Gad twelve thousand, 6 the tribe of Asher twelve thousand, from the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand, from the tribe of Manasseh twelve thousand, 7 the tribe of Simeon twelve thousand, from the tribe of Levi twelve thousand, from the tribe of Issachar twelve thousand, 8 the tribe of Zebulun twelve thousand, from the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand, from the tribe of Benjamin, twelve thousand were sealed.
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Hey Fat,
Well you go find out and we'll continue this conversation, until then God bless and have a nice memorial day weekend.
Since nobody on this site could tell me what a Calvinist is, even though you say that is what you are. I did as you said, fulfill your terms, so we could talk a little more, John Calvin looks like a man some people would want to follow, His picture is awesome. There are some things I agree with him on, like the Catholic are wrong, there is something and something called predestination (I don’t think for the same reasons), there might be something else. I found that there are some churches that follow John Calvin. I hope I didn’t offend any Seventh Day Adventist. The Presbyterian, Lutheran, and Puritans are all followers of John Calvin. I wish someone could have told me this so I would not have wasted my time on information I didn’t want or need. I don’t believe anybody should follow any man, only God. Now that I did what you said I had to do to talk to you, do you have anything else to say?
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Before I would call him a cultist I would want to know his view on the Trinity and salvation. Even though it appears salvation to him is an earthly enterprise I don't know enough for sure on what he believes, he can't get passed his fear of death and lacks trust but so do others of God's chosen. Look at Peter and his denial.
Fact he is into and preaches Supersessionism.
Fact Supersessionism denies the promises made by God.
I realize that doesn't him a cultist, but he is using Supersessionism to lead others from the direction preached by Christ and for that matter Paul who said:
Galatians 1:8-9
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before , so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received , let him be accursed.
His theme is SEEK not Grace and he preaches the work of man not of our Lord and the Cross. Your verses are well suited to make my point.
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Zant Law, You need to read what you posted. Verse 5 says there are only 12,000 Jews, (the tribe of Judah) and 12,000 from each of the other tribes of Israel. (except Dan was left out)
Let me help you out here brother, with some higher mathematics.
First let us count the tribes listed.
Revelation 7:4 And I heard the number of those who were sealed, one hundred and forty-four thousand sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel : 5 the tribe of Judah(1), twelve thousand were sealed, from the tribe of Reuben (2) twelve thousand, from the tribe of Gad (3)twelve thousand, 6 the tribe of Asher(4) twelve thousand, from the tribe of Naphtali (5) twelve thousand, from the tribe of Manasseh (6) twelve thousand, 7 the tribe of Simeon (7) twelve thousand, from the tribe of Levi(8) twelve thousand, from the tribe of Issachar (9)twelve thousand, 8 the tribe of Zebulun (10)twelve thousand, from the tribe of Joseph(11) twelve thousand, from the tribe of Benjamin (12), twelve thousand were sealed.
I get 12 tribes listed each having 12,000 sealed as part of the 144,000
Now we take 12 tribes and multiply it by 12,000 jewish men and we get 144,000 jewish men.
Now how many are left to be Gentiles?
144,000 - 144,000 = 0 none zilch notta nothing left. They are all Jews (males)
GET IT!!!
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Hey Fat,
Since nobody on this site could tell me what a Calvinist is, even though you say that is what you are. I did as you said, fulfill your terms, so we could talk a little more, John Calvin looks like a man some people would want to follow, His picture is awesome. There are some things I agree with him on, like the Catholic are wrong, there is something and something called predestination (I don’t think for the same reasons), there might be something else. I found that there are some churches that follow John Calvin. I hope I didn’t offend any Seventh Day Adventist. The Presbyterian, Lutheran, and Puritans are all followers of John Calvin. I wish someone could have told me this so I would not have wasted my time on information I didn’t want or need. I don’t believe anybody should follow any man, only God. Now that I did what you said I had to do to talk to you, do you have anything else to say?
Only man calvinist follow is Christ.
So what is the theology of John Calvin?
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From your post on your site :
I am a Christian of 36 years and follow the Laws of God and the Statutes that are mentioned in Scripture. Adhere to the Sabbath, 7 Day, Saturday.
31 August 2013 02:31 PM
I also think Freeman should update any numbers every year.
Who doesn't know what a Calvinist is and would rather fight for yourself than God. And believes that patriotisum is somehow related to christianity. You are seeking God at the same time you are saying you found Him. And scared to death of electricity , and apparently believes America is the new Israel.
Why would anyone want to know about Calvinist? Who would want to be taught by a man, instead of God. God will teach the truth, a man will teach a lie. Christ said,
John 6: 44 "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:45 "It is written in the prophets, 'And they shall all be taught by God.' Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me.
would rather fight for yourself than God.
I don’t think there is anything on our sites that says anything about fighting, but I would try to stop anybody from hurting, killing, or eating my grandkids for supper. I suppose you would not try to defend yourself or family.
believes that patriotisum is somehow related to Christianity
We will have to be patriot in the Kingdom of God.
Matthew 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword.
Rev 21:7 "He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son.
Rev 21:8 "But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."
You are seeking God at the same time you are saying you found Him.
In the old testament, it says to seek God. In the New testament , it says to seek the Kingdom. What does Calvin tell you to do, Seek Calvin?
apparently believes America is the new Israel.
Where does Calvin tell you, the bible says Israel is?
Do ever notice that Cults are the only ones that have the TRUTH from the bible. They all have a little truth and an lot of lie.
If you really think Calvinist “are the only ones that have the TRUTH from the bible. They all have a little truth and an lot of lie”
, I suppose you could call Calvinist a Cult then. There is a way to know if you have the truth and belong to Christ. Do you have the Father’s name?
John 17:6 "I have manifested Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word.
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You say you have seen my site. With everything that I put out in showing the people who we are as a Nation and our president is a Gentile and not an Israelite, or course you do not know that, and I post articles World wide as to what I say on here and my life is in danger all the time and you say I am afraid to die?
No, I am not afraid to die, but it seems that you are afraid of the truth. I will continue to gi9ve out the warning which God has commanded. You have no problem for no warning are you giving what so ever. I know what is on the other side of death, do you.
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I also think Freeman should update any numbers every year.
Why would anyone want to know about Calvinist? Who would want to be taught by a man, instead of God. God will teach the truth, a man will teach a lie. Christ said,
John 6: 44 "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:45 "It is written in the prophets, 'And they shall all be taught by God.' Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me.
I don’t think there is anything on our sites that says anything about fighting, but I would try to stop anybody from hurting, killing, or eating my grandkids for supper. I suppose you would not try to defend yourself or family.
We will have to be patriot in the Kingdom of God.
Matthew 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword.
Rev 21:7 "He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son.
Rev 21:8 "But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."
In the old testament, it says to seek God. In the New testament , it says to seek the Kingdom. What does Calvin tell you to do, Seek Calvin?
Where does Calvin tell you, the bible says Israel is?
If you really think Calvinist “are the only ones that have the TRUTH from the bible. They all have a little truth and an lot of lie”
, I suppose you could call Calvinist a Cult then. There is a way to know if you have the truth and belong to Christ. Do you have the Father’s name?
John 17:6 "I have manifested Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word.
TW you forgot one Calvin's favored verses.
Romans 8:28 And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. 29 For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren ; 30 and these whom He predestined, He also called ; and these whom He called, He also justified ; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.
P.S. you are making, me think, yourself look foolish. You should learn before you criticize.
Christ also said: And whoever doesn't take up his cross and follow Me is not worthy of Me. .... "You lack one thing: Go, sell all you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow Me.
Mac
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You say you have seen my site. With everything that I put out in showing the people who we are as a Nation and our president is a Gentile and not an Israelite, or course you do not know that, and I post articles World wide as to what I say on here and my life is in danger all the time and you say I am afraid to die?
No, I am not afraid to die, but it seems that you are afraid of the truth. I will continue to gi9ve out the warning which God has commanded. You have no problem for no warning are you giving what so ever. I know what is on the other side of death, do you.
So you are denying that you teach Supersessionism? You're denying what Christ said in Matthew 16:24 and Mark 10:21?
But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile
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With the warnings I have given here and have given them in truth and in Christ love and concern, I have done all I can do and what God has commanded, I will leave you in you own ways and not Gods hoping you will seek Him and His truth and not that of a man.
freeman4;
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Hey Zant Law,
Let me help you out here brother, with some higher mathematics.
First let us count the tribes listed.
Revelation 7:4 And I heard the number of those who were sealed, one hundred and forty-four thousand sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel : 5 the tribe of Judah(1), twelve thousand were sealed, from the tribe of Reuben (2) twelve thousand, from the tribe of Gad (3)twelve thousand, 6 the tribe of Asher(4) twelve thousand, from the tribe of Naphtali (5) twelve thousand, from the tribe of Manasseh (6) twelve thousand, 7 the tribe of Simeon (7) twelve thousand, from the tribe of Levi(8) twelve thousand, from the tribe of Issachar (9)twelve thousand, 8 the tribe of Zebulun (10)twelve thousand, from the tribe of Joseph(11) twelve thousand, from the tribe of Benjamin (12), twelve thousand were sealed.
I get 12 tribes listed each having 12,000 sealed as part of the 144,000
Now we take 12 tribes and multiply it by 12,000 jewish men and we get 144,000 jewish men.
Now how many are left to be Gentiles?
144,000 - 144,000 = 0 none zilch notta nothing left. They are all Jews (males)
GET IT!!!
I almost fully agree, There is not a Gentile in the bunch that are Firstfruits to God. Although there is a difference between a Jew (Judah) and a Israelite. A Jew is of Israel, But the rest of Israel are not Jews.
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Hey Mac,
TW you forgot one Calvin's favored verses.
Romans 8:28 And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. 29 For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren ; 30 and these whom He predestined, He also called ; and these whom He called, He also justified ; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.
P.S. you are making, me think, yourself look foolish. You should learn before you criticize.
Christ also said: And whoever doesn't take up his cross and follow Me is not worthy of Me. .... "You lack one thing: Go, sell all you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow Me.
Mac
TW you forgot one Calvin's favored verses.
I don’t care to know any of Calvin's favored verses.
I believe there are those that are predestined, God has already known us, He knows what we will do, what our end is
Isaiah 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things that are not yet done, Saying, 'My counsel shall stand, And I will do all My pleasure,'
Jer 1:5 "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; Before you were born I sanctified you; I ordained you a prophet to the nations."
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Hey Fat, I will comment for Freeman, He is gone.
So you are denying that you teach Supersessionism? You're denying what Christ said in Matthew 16:24 and Mark 10:21?
You sure find some big words, that I don’t need to know.
Matt 16:24 Then Jesus said to His disciples, "If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me.
Mark 10:21 Then Jesus, looking at him, loved him, and said to him, "One thing you lack: Go your way, sell whatever you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, take up the cross, and follow Me."
Do you follow Christ? If you do, you have the Father’s name. I think not. If not I suppose you follow Calvin. You have his name.
John 17:26 "And I have declared to them Your name, and will declare it, that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them."
Galatians 1:8-9
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before , so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received , let him be accursed.
It looks like you used the verse to try to put a curse on us. I told you from the start I was a servant of God, Sealed with the seal of God, If I an telling the truth, God might not take it lightly that you tried to put a curse on His Servant that he sent to you.
Gen 12:3 I will bless those who bless you, And I will curse him who curses you; And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed."
Romans 12:14 Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse.
I bless you and not curse you, May you find the way to God.
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I've seen something very interesting in this thread that I wanted to point out to the rest of you. It's a new twist on replacement theology also known as supersessionism. For those that you are unaware what this theology is, it is the teaching that the Jewish people have lost the right to be the people of God and have been replaced by the Christian church.
Freeman and TW are trying to convince you that there is a new Jewish people and a new Israel. The new Jewish people are those that the Bible refers to as the elect, or chosen. Basically the new Jewish people are members of the Christian church, or the body of Christ also known as the bride of Christ. And the new Israel according to them, is the United States of America. They claim that this is scriptural fact.
There is a major problem with this theology. It is that they are saying God has broken His promise to His people and to His land (yes He made a promise to His land) . Now think about this problem it means that God can change his covenant with man, that is you! If God can remove the covenants, and promises made to the Jews he can do it to the Gentiles. And everybody's favorite verse, John 3:16 would no longer be absolute promise.
The way this is done is quite a twist on replacement theology and the denial of the teachings of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Replacement theology is not a rare teaching in fact it is part of the Catholic doctrine. Also there are few Protestant denominations that have picked up on this and adopted it. You ask yourself why would they want to push this heresy on their congregations. I can only assume from the churches I see that use this, that it is nothing more than an attempt to gain power over those who attend their church.
Replacement theology is one of the reasons the Jewish people are hated so much around the world. God has told us how he is going to deal with this in Joel 3.
As my policy I'm shutting down this thread because it is the teaching of a heresy. I've allowed it to go on this long because of the twist that TW and Freeman have added to it.
A call to arms of a patriotic people is a powerful force for those who love their country. But not the call of the God of Israel but the god of man.