Bible discussion
Bible Talk => Christian Walk => Topic started by: Zant Law on July 24, 2013, 08:52:46 am
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Ye have heard that it was said, Thou shalt love thy neighbor, and hate thine enemy: but I say unto you, love your enemies, and pray for them that persecute you; (Matthew 5:43, 44 ASV)
So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. (John 8:7 KJV)
The above verses are used in our society to justify a person's lifestyle. They are constantly used in the church in the debate, for instance, of homosexual marriage or abortion.
Many Christians lose sight that it is not the person that is to be hated but the sin or the act of sin that is to be hated.
Hate evil, you who love the Lord, Who preserves the souls of His godly ones; He delivers them from the hand of the wicked. (Psalms 97:10 NASB)
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Ye have heard that it was said, Thou shalt love thy neighbor, and hate thine enemy: but I say unto you, love your enemies, and pray for them that persecute you; (Matthew 5:43, 44 ASV)
So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. (John 8:7 KJV)
The above verses are used in our society to justify a person's lifestyle. They are constantly used in the church in the debate, for instance, of homosexual marriage or abortion.
Many Christians lose sight that it is not the person that is to be hated but the sin or the act of sin that is to be hated.
Who are you to say so?
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Who are you to say so?
Zant Law, with 68 years of observation.
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Prov 8:13; Amos 5:15; Rom 12:9; Ps 34:14
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Zant Law, with 68 years of observation.
Only a halfwit would take that as an adequate reply.
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Ye have heard that it was said, Thou shalt love thy neighbor, and hate thine enemy: but I say unto you, love your enemies, and pray for them that persecute you; (Matthew 5:43, 44 ASV)
So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. (John 8:7 KJV)
The above verses are used in our society to justify a person's lifestyle. They are constantly used in the church in the debate, for instance, of homosexual marriage or abortion.
'"You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbour and hate your enemy.' But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be children of your Father in heaven, because he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the righteous and on the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet only your brothers and sisters, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect."'
How is this comment used in the worldly church to justify homosexual 'marriage' or abortion?
'John 8:7' is not Scripture (and cannot be), so, while it is frequently used to 'justify' evil practices, such error and abuse is pointed out by the competent.
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Only a halfwit would take that as an adequate reply.
I don't really care if you accept it or not.
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'"You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbour and hate your enemy.' But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be children of your Father in heaven, because he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the righteous and on the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet only your brothers and sisters, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect."'
How is this comment used in the worldly church to justify homosexual 'marriage' or abortion?
'John 8:7' is not Scripture (and cannot be), so, while it is frequently used to 'justify' evil practices, such error and abuse is pointed out by the competent.
What does the dispute over the authenticity of John 8 have to do with the fact it is being used?
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I don't really care if you accept it or not.
Nothing you write can be proved. ;)
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What does the dispute over the authenticity of John 8
Dispute. Oh dear.
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Malachi 1:3 - "And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness."
So God Hated some people
there we can too But the reason might not be valid
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Christians will not hate but sometimes show tough love to win people to Christ. The truth sometimes hurts and the truth is to be told to show love even if they do not like the truth.
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Christians will not hate but sometimes show tough love to win people to Christ. The truth sometimes hurts and the truth is to be told to show love even if they do not like the truth.
I wish more parents understood that. It's good advice on how to raise a child.
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psa 5:5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
God hates some people .
What God declares he hates we should too.
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psa 5:5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
God hates some people .
What God declares he hates we should too.
But isn't the kind of hate Ps 5:5 talking about more of an ex-communion with those workers of evil?
matthew 7:22-23
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them , I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Isn't the lesson for us to not allow them to be closely yoked with us?
2 Corinthians 6:14 KJV
Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
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I do not believe that anyone hates anyone. I do believe that they hate the attitude that a person may have ,but not the person per say.
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I do not believe that anyone hates anyone. I do believe that they hate the attitude that a person may have ,but not the person per say.
This is wishful thinking. It might be true if the church was without sin, but sadly we are far from that state!
James 3 has a lot to say about this. Read it and then see if your comment can be slotted into what James has said.
v1. Let not many of you become teachers, my brethren, knowing that as such we will incur a stricter judgment.
v2. For we all stumble in many ways. If anyone does not stumble in what he says, he is a perfect man, able to bridle the whole body as well.
v3. Now if we put the bits into the horses' mouths so that they will obey us, we direct their entire body as well.…
v4. Look at the ships also, though they are so great and are driven by strong winds, are still directed by a very small rudder wherever the inclination of the pilot desires.
v5. So also the tongue is a small part of the body, and yet it boasts of great things. See how great a forest is set aflame by such a small fire!
v6. And the tongue is a fire, the very world of iniquity; the tongue is set among our members as that which defiles the entire body, and sets on fire the course of our life, and is set on fire by hell.…
v7. For every species of beasts and birds, of reptiles and creatures of the sea, is tamed and has been tamed by the human race.
v8. But no one can tame the tongue; it is a restless evil and full of deadly poison.
v9. With it we bless our Lord and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in the likeness of God.
v10. From the same mouth come both blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not to be this way.
v11. Does a fountain send out from the same opening both fresh and bitter water?
v12. Can a fig tree, my brethren, produce olives, or a vine produce figs? Nor can salt water produce fresh.
v13. Who among you is wise and understanding? Let him show by his good behavior his deeds in the gentleness of wisdom.
v14. But if you have bitter jealousy and selfish ambition in your heart, do not be arrogant and so lie against the truth.
v15. This wisdom is not that which comes down from above, but is earthly, natural, demonic.
v16. For where jealousy and selfish ambition exist, there is disorder and every evil thing.
v17. But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, reasonable, full of mercy and good fruits, unwavering, without hypocrisy.
v18. And the seed whose fruit is righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.
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Angry to the point of murder? I think that would be hate. Can a Christian go that far with anger? I think he can, but I would hope he has cause ???
Matt 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say , Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire
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There is a problem with this question and that is the way we understand the use of the word 'hate' in the bible.
“If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his own father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters — yes, and even his own life — he cannot be My disciple. (Luke 14:26 HCSB)
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There are people God hates
Palms 5:5
The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
And many more like it
It is not as clear cut as you make out I do not think