Bible discussion
Bible Talk => Bible Study => Topic started by: dan p on January 11, 2012, 05:27:49 pm
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Hi to all , and ever since Sunday School , I have been taught that Saul was struck down by a bright light and was asked by Jesus , " it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks " and use it as and application for today .
Here is what I see :
#1 , What Gospel did Jesus preach to SAUL ?
#2 , The Gospel of the Kingdom ?
#3, I say SAUL was saved by Grace !!
#4 , Then the question , was SAUL water baptized ?
#5 , I believe that the Key to Acts 9:6 is when SAUL calls Jesus LORD/KURIOS and 1 Cor 12:3 explain why SAUL was saved .
#6 , 1 Cor 12 :13 explains why SAUL was the first ONE saved by Grace and shows why SAUL was the first member of the Body of Christ !!
dan p
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What Gospel did Jesus preach to SAUL ?
The same gospel that he (Paul) preached to us.
Was SAUL water baptized
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Both by the Holy Spirit and by water.
17 So Ananias departed and entered the house, and after laying his hands on him said, “Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on the road by which you were coming, has sent me so that you may regain your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit.” 18 And immediately there fell from his eyes something like scales, and he regained his sight, and he got up and was baptized;
It's clear that he was first baptized by the Spirit and then got up and was baptized by water. He spent the rest of his life preaching both baptisms.
1 Cor 12 :13 explains why SAUL was the first ONE saved by Grace and shows why SAUL was the first member of the Body of Christ !!
Disagree with you!!!
Luke 23:39-43
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Hi , and the Context does not show water at all !!
Give a verse that shows the what Jesus told SAUL was the same as what the 12 preached ?
dan p
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Hi , and here is what you missed in Acts 9:6 !!
SAUL called Jesus LORD/KURIOS /JEHOVAH in verse 6 , as SAUL said " Lord , what wilt thou have me do " ???
1 Cor 12:3 , That no man calles Jesus LORD/KURIOS/JEHOVAH that no man can say that Jesus is LORD , BUT by the Holy Spirit !!
Is means that at that point in time ( Acts 9:6 ) SAUL was saved .
There is no water , by context in Acts 17 !!
This means that SAUL was saved by Grace by the context , as Jesus did not preach Repentance and water Baptism to SAUL and your position is no position at all , dan p
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Hi , and the Context does not show water at all !!
Give a verse that shows the what Jesus told SAUL was the same as what the 12 preached ?
dan p
This is Pauls account of what happen.
Acts 22:11-21
11 "Since I couldn't see because of the brightness of that light, I was led by the hand by those who were with me, and came into Damascus. 12 Someone named Ananias, a devout man according to the law, having a good reputation with all the Jews residing there, 13 came to me, stood by me, and said, 'Brother Saul, regain your sight.' And in that very hour I looked up and saw him. 14 Then he said, 'The God of our fathers has appointed you to know His will, to see the Righteous One, and to hear the sound of His voice. 15 For you will be a witness for Him to all people of what you have seen and heard. 16 And now, why delay? Get up and be baptized, and wash away your sins by calling on His name.' 17 "After I came back to Jerusalem and was praying in the temple complex, I went into a visionary state 18 and saw Him telling me, 'Hurry and get out of Jerusalem quickly, because they will not accept your testimony about Me!' 19 "But I said, 'Lord, they know that in synagogue after synagogue I had those who believed in You imprisoned and beaten. 20 And when the blood of Your witness Stephen was being shed, I myself was standing by and approving, and I guarded the clothes of those who killed him.' 21 "Then He said to me, 'Go, because I will send you far away to the Gentiles.' "
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Hi , and Paul was never water baptized and have not shown it !!
Why not comment on Acts 9:6 or verse 17 , and water is never mentioned at all !!
dan p
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Hi , and Paul was never water baptized and have not shown it !!
Why not comment on Acts 9:6 or verse 17 , and water is never mentioned at all !!
dan p
Accualy I have, Acts 22:11-21 is clear, and I don't parse the bible.
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Hi , and to bad , because the verb tense is the most important part of understanding the bible and anyone can go to the internet to check verb tenses and I have a translation that does it for me and have a friend who helps me , dan p
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Hi and I just checked Acts 9:6 and there 8 verb tenses ;
#1 , he trembling , TREMO
#2 , Astonished , THAMBEO
#3 , Said , EIPON
#4 , Wilt thou have me do , THELO
#5 , tO DO , POIEO
#6 , Go , EISERCHOMAI
#7 , It shall be told thee , LALEO , in the Future tense
#8 , Arise , ANISTEMI
All are either in the Aorist or Present tense , except #7 , which is in the future tense .
Learn how to find them , like in the BLUE LETTER BIBLE and you will learn more , beyond your expectation and you will be rewarded !! dan p
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Hi , and to bad , because the verb tense is the most important part of understanding the bible and anyone can go to the internet to check verb tenses and I have a translation that does it for me and have a friend who helps me , dan p
Read the verses.
Acts 22:11-21
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Hi and I just checked Acts 9:6 and there 8 verb tenses ;
#1 , he trembling , TREMO
#2 , Astonished , THAMBEO
#3 , Said , EIPON
#4 , Wilt thou have me do , THELO
#5 , tO DO , POIEO
#6 , Go , EISERCHOMAI
#7 , It shall be told thee , LALEO , in the Future tense
#8 , Arise , ANISTEMI
All are either in the Aorist or Present tense , except #7 , which is in the future tense .
Learn how to find them , like in the BLUE LETTER BIBLE and you will learn more , beyond your expectation and you will be rewarded !! dan p
Paul makes it clear in Acts 22:11-21, read the verses
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Hi have read the verses and do you understand Acts 9:6 ??? dan p
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Hi have read the verses and do you understand Acts 9:6 ??? dan p
I think BB has you here Dan. Act 22:16 is an account of Paul's baptism with water.
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Hi , and what is not understood is 1 Cor 12:3 , showing that Saul was already Baptized by the Holy Spirit , in A cts 9:6 or BAPTIZO/PLACED into the Body of Christ .
BAPTIZO can be translated PLACED in 1 Cor 12:13 !!
Just for your information , there are 12 different kinds of Baptisms in the Old Testament .
Just ONE example , in 1 Cor 10:2 , " and were all BAPTIZO/PLACED unto Moses in the Cloud and in the Sea " , so where is the water ??
But in Acts 9:17 , Ananais lays his hands on SAUL and SAUL is BAPTIZO , IN VERSE 18 .
But verse 17 says what and how SAUL was Baptized with !!.
It says " be fiilled with Holy Spirit " !!!
Notice that in the Greek text , as it says in my KJV , " be filled with ( the ) Holy Spirit , is not correct !!
The correct Greek text has , " be filled with Holy Spirit " as the Greek article ( the ) is not in the Greek text !!
This means that is is not talking about the Inwelling or person of the Holy Spirit , but Saul is FILLED with the POWER of the Holy Spirit ,
I have a book with about, 100 verses where the Greek article shoild not be in the KJV , FOR THE GREEK aRTICLE POINTS TO A VERY " SPECIFIC " THING , AND WHAT i HAVE WRITTEN CAN BE CHECKED EASILY .
So , we see that SAUL was Baptized twice .
This means that Saul was BAPTIZO/PLACED into the Body of Christ as 1 Cor 12:13 says and then Baptized with the POWER of the Holy Spirit , which are 2 different things .
This happens to all that are saved today under the preaching of Grace , dan p
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Hi , and what is not understood is 1 Cor 12:3 , showing that Saul was already Baptized by the Holy Spirit , in A cts 9:6 or BAPTIZO/PLACED into the Body of Christ .
BAPTIZO can be translated PLACED in 1 Cor 12:13 !!
Just for your information , there are 12 different kinds of Baptisms in the Old Testament .
Just ONE example , in 1 Cor 10:2 , " and were all BAPTIZO/PLACED unto Moses in the Cloud and in the Sea " , so where is the water ??
But in Acts 9:17 , Ananais lays his hands on SAUL and SAUL is BAPTIZO , IN VERSE 18 .
But verse 17 says what and how SAUL was Baptized with !!.
It says " be fiilled with Holy Spirit " !!!
Notice that in the Greek text , as it says in my KJV , " be filled with ( the ) Holy Spirit , is not correct !!
The correct Greek text has , " be filled with Holy Spirit " as the Greek article ( the ) is not in the Greek text !!
This means that is is not talking about the Inwelling or person of the Holy Spirit , but Saul is FILLED with the POWER of the Holy Spirit ,
I have a book with about, 100 verses where the Greek article shoild not be in the KJV , FOR THE GREEK aRTICLE POINTS TO A VERY " SPECIFIC " THING , AND WHAT i HAVE WRITTEN CAN BE CHECKED EASILY .
So , we see that SAUL was Baptized twice .
This means that Saul was BAPTIZO/PLACED into the Body of Christ as 1 Cor 12:13 says and then Baptized with the POWER of the Holy Spirit , which are 2 different things .
This happens to all that are saved today under the preaching of Grace , dan p
Listen friend you ask if Paul was baptized with water and I showed you he was. It is understood that all Christians are baptized by Christ with the Holy Ghost at the time they receive their salvation, as we were told by John the Baptist.
WHAT IS YOU PROBLEM???
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Hi and I think the that you have the problem and John 1:31 , that John came Baptizing with WATER to be Jesus KNOWN to nIsrael .
#1 , This means that Water Baptism was given to John for Jews ONLY !!
#2 , In 1 Cor 1:17 , Paul was NOT SENT TO BAPTIZE !!
If you have any more Problem questions , I will be glad to explain so you do not become fustrated , dan p
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Hi and I think the that you have the problem and John 1:31 , that John came Baptizing with WATER to be Jesus KNOWN to nIsrael .
#1 , This means that Water Baptism was given to John for Jews ONLY !!
#2 , In 1 Cor 1:17 , Paul was NOT SENT TO BAPTIZE !!
If you have any more Problem questions , I will be glad to explain so you do not become fustrated , dan p
But he did baptize- verse 16 Now I did baptize also the household of Stephanas ; beyond that, I do not know whether I baptized any other.
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Hi , and in 1 Cor 1:16 , Paul uses the Greek word " I know not whether I BAPTIZO ANY OTHER "
Then in verse 17 , Christ sent me not to baptize !!
Can you reconcile the Two ?? You have a PROBLEM !!
In verse 16 , I Paul BAPTIZO and then in verse 17 , Christ sent me NOT to BAPTIZO !!
There is answer , but that will have to be a separate OP !!
You will have to study Pauline Dispensationalism , for the Holy Spirit has given Paul revelation , dan p
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Hi , and in 1 Cor 1:16 , Paul uses the Greek word " I know not whether I BAPTIZO ANY OTHER "
Then in verse 17 , Christ sent me not to baptize !!
Can you reconcile the Two ?? You have a PROBLEM !!
In verse 16 , I Paul BAPTIZO and then in verse 17 , Christ sent me NOT to BAPTIZO !!
There is answer , but that will have to be a separate OP !!
You will have to study Pauline Dispensationalism , for the Holy Spirit has given Paul revelation , dan p
I see no problem with the two verses, do you?
Do you believe that baptism of the Holy Spirit is by laying on of hands or by Christ's gift to His Church?
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Hi , and am sorry that you will not see in verse 16 , " I baptized "
Then in verse 17 , Jesus did not SEND me to Baptize !!
I can not help you !!