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Bible Talk => Bible Study => Topic started by: fredjames on January 22, 2018, 03:19:13 am

Title: 'SALVATION'
Post by: fredjames on January 22, 2018, 03:19:13 am
Justification by not works according the Old Covenant, but by grace and through faith according to the Gospel of repentance is one thing....

Ephesians 2:

1. And you were dead in the trespasses and sins
2. in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience -
3. among whom we once lived in the passion of our flesh, carrying out the desire of the body and the mind, and by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind.
4. But GOD, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which HE loved us,
5. even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with CHRIST - by grace you have been saved -
6. and raised us up with Him and seated us with Him in the Heavenly places in CHRIST JESUS,
7. so that in the coming ages HE might show the immeasurable riches of HIS grace in kindness towards us in CHRIST JESUS.
8. For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of GOD,
9. not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
10. For we are HIS workmanship, created in CHRIST JESUS for good works, which GOD prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

11. Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called the "uncircumcision" by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands -
12. remember that you were at that time separated from CHRIST, alienated from the common wealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without GOD in the world.
13. But now in CHRIST JESUS you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of CHRIST.
14. For He Himself is our peace, who has made us one and has broken down in His flesh the dividing wall of hostility,
15. by abolishing the law of the commandments and ordinances, that He might create in Himself one new man in the place of the two, so making peace,
16. and might reconcile us both to GOD in one body through the Cross, thereby killing the hostility.
17. And He came and preached peace to you who were far off and peace to those who were near.
18. For through Him we both have access in one SPIRIT to the FATHER.
19. So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of GOD,
20. built on the foundation of the Apostles and Prophets, CHRIST JESUS Himself being the corner stone,
21. in whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a Holy Temple in the LORD.
22. In Him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for GOD by the SPIRIT.      

Title: Re: 'SALVATION'
Post by: fredjames on January 22, 2018, 07:56:33 pm
And,

John 1:

9. The true light, which enlightens everyone, was coming into the world.
10. He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, yet the world did not know Him.
11. He came to His own, and His own people did not receive Him.
12. But to all who did receive Him, who believed in His name, He gave the right to become children of GOD,
13. who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of GOD.

Title: Re: 'SALVATION'
Post by: fredjames on January 24, 2018, 01:05:54 am
Matthew 3:

1. In those days John the Baptist came preaching in the wilderness of Judea,
2. "Repent, for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand."
3. For this is he who was spoken of[ by the Prophet Isaiah when he said,

"The voice of one crying in the wilderness: 'Prepare the way of the LORD; make His path straight.' "


4. Now John wore a garment of camel's hair and a leather belt around his waist, and his food was locusts and wild honey.
5. Then Jerusalem and all Judea and all the region about the Jordan were going out to him,
6. and they were baptized by him in the river Jordan, confessing their sins.
7. But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming for baptism, he said to them, "You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
8. Bear fruit in keeping with repentance.
9. And do not presume to say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham as our father,' for I tell you, GOD is able from these stones to raise up children for Abraham.
10. Even now the axe is laid to the root of the trees. Every tree therefore that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
11. I baptize you with water for repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with HOLY SPIRIT and with fire.
12. His winnowing fork is in His hand, and He will clear His threshing floor and gather His wheat into the barn, but the chaff He will burn with unquenchable fire."   
Title: Re: 'SALVATION'
Post by: fredjames on January 24, 2018, 02:22:10 am
Luke 3:

1. In the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, Pontius Pilate being Governor of Judea, and Herod being the tetrarch of Galilee, and his brother Philip tetrarch of the region of Ituraea and Trachonitis, and Lysanias tetrarch of Abilene,
2. during the high priesthood of Annas and Chaiaphas, the word of GOD came to John the son of Zechariah in the wilderness.
3. And he went into all the region around the Jordan, proclaiming a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins.
4. As it is written the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet,

"The voice of one crying in the wilderness: 'Prepare the way of the LORD, make His path straight.
5. Every valley shall be filled, and very mountain and hill shall be made low, and the crooked shall become straight, and the rough places shall become level ways,
6. and all flesh shall see the salvation of GOD.' " 
7. He said therefore to the crowds that came out to be baptize by him. "You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
8. Bear fruit in keeping with repentance. And do not begin to say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham as our father.' For I tell you, GOD is able from these stones to raise up children for Abraham.
9. Even now the axe is laid to the root of the trees. Every tree therefore that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire."
10. And the crowds asked him, "What then shall we do?"
11. And he answered them, "Whoever has two tunics is to share with him who has none, and whoever has food is to do likewise."
12. Tax collectors also came to be baptized and said to him, "Teacher, what shall we do?"
13. And he said to them, "Collect no more than you are authorized to do."
14. Soldiers also asked him, "And we, what shall we do?" And he said to them, "Do not extort money from anyone by treats or false accusation, and be content with your wages."
15. As the people were in expectation, and all were questioning in their hearts concerning John, whether he might be the CHRIST.
16. John answered them all, saying, "I baptize you with water, but He who is mightier than I is coming, the straps of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie. He will baptize you with the HOLY SPIRIT and with fire.
17. His winnowing fork is in His hands, to clear His threshing floor and to gather the wheat into His barn, but the chaff He will burn with unquenchable fire.
18. So with many other exhortations he preached good news to the people.
19. But Herod the tetrarch, who had been reproved by him for Herodias, his brother's wife, and for all the evil things that Herod had done,
20. added this to them all, that he locked up John in prison.
21. Now when all the people were baptized, and when JESUS also had been baptized and was praying, the Heavens were opened, and the HOLY SPIRIT descended on Him in bodily form, like a dove; and a voice came from Heaven, "You are my beloved SON, with you I AM well pleased." 
Title: Re: 'SALVATION'
Post by: Moss on January 25, 2018, 12:03:44 am
TORREY’S NEW TOPICAL TEXTBOOK
By R. A. Torrey



Salvation.
1.      Is of God. Ps 3:8; 37:39 ; Jer 3:23 .
2.      Is of the purpose of God. 2 Tim 1:9 .
3.      Is of the appointment of God. 1 Thes 5:9.
4.      God is willing to give. 1 Tim 2:4 .
5.      Is by Christ. Isa 63:9 ; Eph 5:23 .
6.      Is by Christ alone. Isa 45:21, 22; 59:16; Acts 4:12 .
7.      Announced after the fall. Gen 3:15 .
8.      Of Israel, predicted. Isa 35:4; 45:17 ; Zec 9:16 ; Rom 11:26 .
9.      Of the Gentiles, predicted. Isa 45:22; 49:6; 52:10 .
10.      Revealed in the gospel. Eph 1:13 ; 2 Tim 1:10 .
11.      Came to the Gentiles through the fall of the Jews. Rom 11:11 .
12.      Christ
a.      The Captain of. Heb 2:10 .
b.      The Author of. Heb 5:9 .
c.      Appointed for. Isa 49:6 .
d.      Raised up for. Luke 1:69 .
e.      Has. Zec 9:9 .
f.      Brings, with him. Isa 62:11 ; Luke 19:9 .
g.      Mighty to effect. Isa 63:1 ; Heb 7:25 .
h.      Came to effect. Mat 18:11; 1 Tim 1:15 .
i.      Died to effect. John 3:14, 15 ; Gal 1:4 .
j.      Exalted to give. Acts 5:31 .
13.      Is not by works. Rom 11:6 ; Eph 2:9 ; 2 Tim 1:9 ; Titus 3:5 .
14.      Is of grace. Eph 2:5, 8 ; 2 Tim 1:9 ; Titus 2:11 .
15.      Is of love. Rom 5:8 ; 1 John 4:9 , 10 .
16.      Is of mercy. Ps 6:4 ; Titus 3:5 .
17.      Is of the long-suffering of God. 2 Pet 3:15 .
18.      Is through faith in Christ. Mark 16:16 ; Acts 16:31 ; Rom 10:9 ; Eph 2:8 ; 1 Pet 1:5 .
19.      Reconciliation to God, a pledge of. Rom 5:10 .
20.      Is deliverance from
a.      Sin. Mat 1:21 ; 1 John 3:5 .
b.      Uncleanness. Eze 36:29 .
c.      The devil. Col 2:15 ; Heb 2:14 , 15 .
d.      Wrath. Rom 5:9 ; 1 Thes 1:10.
e.      This present evil world. Gal 1:4 .
f.      Enemies. Luke 1:71, 74 .
g.      Eternal death. John 3:16, 17 .
21.      Confession of Christ necessary to. Rom 10:10 .
22.      Regeneration necessary to. John 3:3 .
23.      Final perseverance necessary to. Mat 10:22 .
24.      Described as
a.      Great. Heb 2:3 .
b.      Glorious. 2 Tim 2:10 .
c.      Common. Jude 1:3 .
d.      From generation to generation. Isa 51:8 .
e.      To the uttermost. Heb 7:25 .
f.      Eternal. Isa 45:17; 51:6 ; Heb 5:9 .
25.      Searched into and exhibited by the prophets. 1 Pet 1:10 .
26.      The gospel is the power of God to. Rom 1:16 ; 1 Cor 1:18 .
27.      Preaching the word is the appointed means of. 1 Cor 1:21 .
28.      The Scriptures are able to make wise to. 2 Tim 3:15 ; Jas 1:21 .
29.      Now is the day of. Isa 49:8 ; 2 Cor 6:2 .
30.      From sin, to be worked out with fear and trembling. Phil 2:12 .
31.      Saints
a.      Chosen to. 2 Thes 2:13; 2 Tim 1:9 .
b.      Appointed to obtain. 1 Thes 5:9.
c.      Are heirs of. Heb 1:14 .
d.      Have, through grace. Acts 15:11 .
e.      Have a token of, in their patient suffering for Christ. Phil 1:28, 29 .
f.      Kept by the power of God to. 1 Pet 1:5 .
g.      Beautified with. Ps 149:4 .
h.      Clothed with. Isa 61:10 .
i.      Satisfied by. Luke 2:30 .
j.      Love. Ps 40:16 .
k.      Hope for. Lam 3:26 ; Rom 8:24 .
l.      Wait for. Gen 49:18 ; Lam 3:26 .
m.      Long for. Ps 119:81, 174 .
n.      Earnestly look for. Ps 119:123 .
o.      Daily approach nearer to. Rom 13:11 .
p.      Receive, as the end of their faith. 1 Pet 1:9 .
q.      Welcome the tidings of. Isa 52:7 ; Rom 10:15 .
r.      Pray to be visited with. Ps 85:7; 106:4; 119:41 .
s.      Pray for the assurance of. Ps 35:3 .
t.      Pray for a joyful sense of. Ps 51:12 .
u.      Evidence, by works. Heb 6:9, 10 .
v.      Ascribe, to God. Ps 25:5 ; Isa 12:2 .
w.      Praise God for. 1 Chr 16:23 ; Ps 96:2 .
x.      Commemorate, with thanks. Ps 116:12 .
y.      Rejoice in. Ps 9:14; 21:1 ; Isa 25:9 .
z.      Glory in. 1 Cor 1:31; Gal 6:14 .
A.      Declare. Ps 40:10; 71:15 .
32.      Godly sorrow works repentance to. 2 Cor 7:10 .
33.      All the earth shall see. Isa 52:10 ; Luke 3:6 .
34.      Ministers
a.      Give the knowledge of. Luke 1:77 .
b.      Show the way of. Acts 16:17 .
c.      Should exhort to. Eze 3:18, 19 ; Acts 2:40 .
d.      Should labour to lead others to. Rom 11:14 .
e.      Should be clothed in. 2 Chr 6:41 ; Ps 132:16 .
f.      Should use self-denial to lead others to. 1 Cor 9:22 .
g.      Should endure suffering that the elect may obtain. 2 Tim 2:10 .
h.      Are a sweet savour of Christ to God, in those who obtain. 2 Cor 2:15 .
35.      The heavenly host ascribe, to God. Rev 7:10; 19:1 .
36.      Sought in vain from
a.      Idols. Isa 45:20; Jer 2:28 .
b.      Earthly power. Jer 3:23 .
37.      No escape for those who neglect. Heb 2:3 .
38.      Is far off from the wicked. Ps 119:155; Isa 59:11 .
39.      Illustrated by
a.      A rock. Deut 32:15; 2 Sam 22:47; Ps 95:1 .
b.      A horn. Ps 18:2 ; Luke 1:69 .
c.      A tower. 2 Sam 22:51 .
d.      A helmet. Isa 59:17 ; Eph 6:17 .
e.      A shield. 2 Sam 22:36 .
f.      A lamp. Isa 62:1 .
g.      A cup. Ps 116:13 .
h.      Clothing. 2 Chr 6:41; Ps 132:16; 149:4; Isa 61:10 .
i.      Wells. Isa 12:3 .
j.      Walls and bulwarks. Isa 26:1; 60:18 .
k.      Chariots. Hab 3:8 .
l.      A victory. 1 Cor 15:57 .
40.   Typified. Num 21:4-9 ; John 3:14, 15 .
Title: Re: 'SALVATION'
Post by: fredjames on January 28, 2018, 10:36:35 pm
Ephesians 3:

1. For this reason I, Paul, a prisoner for CHRIST JESUS on behalf of you Gentiles -
2. assuming that you have heard of the stewardship of GOD's grace that was given to me for you,
3. how the mystery was made known to me by revelation, as i have written briefly.
4. When you read this, you can perceive my insight into the mystery of CHRIST,
5. which was not made known to the sons of men in other generations as it has now been revealed to His holy Apostles and Prophets by the SPIRIT.
6. This mystery is that the Gentiles are fellow heirs, members of the same body, and partakers of the promise in CHRIST JESUS through the Gospel.
7. Of this Gospel I was made a minster according to the gift of GOD's grace, which was given me by the working of His power.
8. To me, though I am the very least of all the saints, this grace was given, to preach to the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of CHRIST,
9. and to bring to light for everyone what is the plan of the mystery hidden for ages in GOD who created all things,
10. so that through the church the manifold wisdom of GOD might now be made known to the rulers and authorities in the Heavenly places.
11. This was according to the Eternal purpose that HE has realized in CHRIST JESUS our LORD, in whom we have boldness and access with confidence through our faith in Him.
12. So I ask you not to lose heart over what I am suffering for you, which is your glory.
Title: Re: 'SALVATION'
Post by: fredjames on January 31, 2018, 11:40:58 pm
Therefore, no one is justified by their works in order to receive or be paid in wages, Salvation. Therefore henceforth they may 'see' or 'enter' the Kingdom of GOD in eligibility, and able to boast in testimony......

Romans 3:

9. What then? Are we Jews any better off? No, not at all. For we have already charged that all, both Jews and Greeks, are under sin,
0. as it is written: "None is righteous, no, not one;
11. no one understands; no one seeks for GOD.
12. All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one."
13. "Their throat is an open grave; They use their tongues to deceive." "The venom of asps is under their lips."
14. "Their mouth is full of curses and bitterness."

15. "Their feet are swift to shed blood;
16. in their path are ruin and misery,
17. and the way of peace they have not known."
18. "There is no fear of GOD before their eyes."
19. Now we know that whatever the Law says it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be stopped, and the whole world may be held accountable to GOD.
20. For by the works of the Law no human being will be justified in HIS sight, since through the Law comes knowledge of sin.


   
Title: Re: 'SALVATION'
Post by: fredjames on February 01, 2018, 11:50:39 pm
19. Now we know that whatever the Law says it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be stopped, and the whole world may be held accountable to GOD.
20. For by the works of the Law no human being will be justified in HIS sight, since through the Law comes knowledge of sin.

Therefore the above is talking about 'unbelievers' (as we were in the past like them as Gentiles). The Jews (circumcised) on the other hand, have the Law of Moses and Prophets. And while the Greeks, likewise as referred to Gentiles (the uncircumcised), the non-Jews, show that the work of the Law, as quite similar of the Jews, is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bear witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them.

Romans 2:

12. For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law will be judge by the Law.
13. For it is not the hearers of the Law who are righteous before GOD, but the doers of the Law who will be justified.
14. For when Gentiles, who do not have the Law, by nature do what the Law requires. they are a Law to themselves, even though they do not have the Law.
15. They show that the work of the Law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bear witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them
16. on that day when, according to my gospel, GOD judges the secrets of men by CHRIST JESUS.

And so, by this we perceive that the 'unbelievers', the Jews and Gentiles likewise (those who have not been born again and from above, and through the Gospel by faith in CHRIST JESUS our LORD), initially have the Law to themselves, as their 'custodian'. Therefore by the works of these Law's requirements in righteousness doing, one is not justified before GOD.
Title: Re: 'SALVATION'
Post by: fredjames on February 06, 2018, 01:54:20 am
So, since the beginning and according to the Gospel, from the preaching of John the Baptist for the baptism of repentance and confession of all sins. And henceforth, from the teaching of JESUS of Nazareth with the Jews first from Israel (and then from them, a remnant chosen by grace, who forwarded them to the Gentiles of all nation, kindred and tongue, and made disciples of them), beginning from Matthew chapter 5, His sermon of the Word to the baptism of the HOLY SPIRIT, and Fire on the day of Pentecost. There is no man, the Jews first (and then the Gentiles), are justified by their good works to receive Salvation.

It is merely by the Grace of GOD and the gift of GOD to man, that is by grace and through faith, they have come to 'see' and 'enter' the Kingdom of GOD, and believe in CHRIST JESUS of Nazareth, the SON of GOD, who came to take away the sins of the world. Until when and then, the price is paid on Calvary, the CHRIST proclaiming it as 'accomplished', and finally to the shedding of 'blood' and 'water', still they were not justified by works.

Until when the SON was 'resurrected' from the dead, prior to have disciple them since chosen and from the beginning, He now gives them the commission. Wherefore, through His similar teaching and good works consigned in them, they are to continue with, in the Acts of the Apostles with the abiding churches. And establish the same as well in wisdom, to further instructions through their 'epistles' to the churches repeatedly, and likewise consigned of good works too. Especially from many others, one in particular, where the act of good works towards one's brethren....

Therefore, there are good works commissioned by CHRIST JESUS our LORD after His resurrection and before His ascension. And too instructions through His Apostles in their epistles, consigned to the churches for order and oneness, who the Apostles built them up with Him and the HOLY SPIRIT, as they lay down their lives for the Kingdom of GOD and for us, with their MASTER as unworthy servants.
Title: Re: 'SALVATION'
Post by: fredjames on February 07, 2018, 01:40:24 am
James 2:

14. What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him?
15. If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food,
16. and one of you says to them, "Go in peace, be warmed and filled," without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that?
17. So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
18. But someone will say, "You have faith and I have works." Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you faith by my works.
19. You believe that GOD is one, you do well. Even the demons believe - and shudder!
20. Do you want to be shown, you foolish person, that faith apart from works is useless?
21. Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up his son Isaac on the alter?
22. You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by his works, and faith was completed by his works;
23. and the Scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham believed GOD, and it was counted to him as righteousness" - and he was called a friend of GOD.
24. You see a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.
25. And in the same way was not also Rahab the prostitute justified by works when she receive the messengers and sent them out by another way?
26. For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead.
Title: Re: 'SALVATION'
Post by: fredjames on February 08, 2018, 02:14:52 am
From Matthew chapter 5 onward, JESUS was teaching the New Covenant 'law of faith' to those who have been baptized, and now believe in Him and followed him. And He said to them toward,

Matthew 7:

24. "Everyone then who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house on the rock.
25. And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house, but it did not fall, because it had been founded on the rock.
26. And everyone who hears these words of mine and does not do them will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand.
27. And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against the house, and it fell, and great was the fall of it."


And,

John 8:

31. So JESUS said to the Jews who had believed in Him, "If you abide in my word, you are truly my disciples,
32. and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.


And too,

John 15:

1. "I am the true vine, and my FATHER is the vinedresser.
2. Every branch of mine that does not bear fruit HE takes away, and every branch that does bear fruit HE prunes, that it may bear more fruit.
3. Already you are clean because of the word that I have spoken to you.
4. Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit by itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me.
5. I am the vine, you are the branches. Whoever abides in Me and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing.
6. If anyone does not abide in Me he is thrown away like a branch and withers, and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire, and burned.
7. If you abide in Me and My words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you.
8. By this My FATHER is glorified, that you bear much fruit and so prove to be My disciples.
9. As the FATHER has love Me, so have I loved you. Abide in My love.
10. If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My FATHER's commandments and abide in HIS love.
11. These things I have spoken to you, that My joy my be in you, and that your joy may be full.
12. This is my commandment that you love one another as I have loved you.
13. Greater love has no one than this, that someone lays down his life for His friends.
14. You are My friends if you do what I command you.
15. No longer do I call you servants, for the servant does not now what his Master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all that I have heard from My FATHER I have made known to you.
16. You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide, so that whatever you ask the FATHER in My name HE may give it to you.
17. These things I command you, so that you will love one another.
Title: Re: 'SALVATION'
Post by: fredjames on February 08, 2018, 06:32:28 pm
John 12:

44. And JESUS cried out and said, "Whoever believes in Me, believes not in Me but in HIM who sent Me.
45. And whoever sees Me sees HIM who sent Me.
46. I have come into the world as Light, so that whoever believes in Me may not remain in darkness.
47. If anyone hears My words and does not keep them, I do not judge him, for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world.
48. The one who rejects Me and does not receive My words has a judge, the word that I have spoken will judge him on the last day.
49. For I have not spoken on my own authority, but the FATHER who sent Me has HIMSELF given Me a commandment - what to say and what to speak.
50. And I know that HIS commandment is eternal life. What I say therefore, I say as the FATHER told Me."



Title: Re: 'SALVATION'
Post by: fredjames on February 08, 2018, 07:50:14 pm
John 14:

15. "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.
16. And I will ask the FATHER, and HE will give you another Helper to be with you forever,
17. even the SPIRIT of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees HIM nor knows HIM. You will know Him for He dwells with you and will be in you.
18. "I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.
19. Yet a little while and the world will see Me no more, but you will see Me. Because I live, you also will live.
20. In that day you will know that I am in My FATHER, and you in Me, and I in you.
21. Whoever has My commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My FATHER, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him."
22. Judas (not Iscariot) said to Him, "Lord, how is it that You will manifest yourself to us, and not to the world?"
23. JESUS answered, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word, and My FATHER will love him, and WE will come to him and make our home with him.
24. Whoever does not love Me does not keep My words. And the word that you hear is not Mine but the FATHER's who sent Me.
 
Title: Re: 'SALVATION'
Post by: fredjames on February 09, 2018, 01:00:04 am
John 6:

60. When many of His disciples heard it, they said, "This is a hard saying, who can listen to it?"
61. But JESUS, knowing in Himself that His disciples were grumbling about this, said to them, "Do you take offense at this?
62. Then what if I you were to see the Son of Man ascending to where He was before?
63. It is the SPIRIT who gives life, the flesh is of no avail. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.
64. But there are some of you who do not believe." (For JESUS knew from the beginning who those were who did not believe, and who it was who betray Him.)
65. And He said, "That is why I told you that no one can come to Me unless it is granted him by the FATHER."
66. After this many of His disciples turned back and no longer walked with Him.
67. So JESUS said to the twelve, "Do you want to go away as well?"
68. Simon Peter answered Him, "LORD, to whom shall we go? You have the words of Eternal Life,
69. and we have believed, and have come to know, that You are the Holy One of GOD."
70. JESUS answered, "Did I not chose you, the Twelve? And yet one of you is a devil."
71. He spoke of Judas the son of Simon Iscariot, for he, one of the Twelve, was going to betray Him.
Title: Re: 'SALVATION'
Post by: fredjames on February 11, 2018, 08:26:42 pm
Matthew 28:

19. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the FATHER and of the SON and of the HOLY SPIRIT,
20. teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age."


Since JESUS had chose the Twelve and made them disciples through His teaching/word Himself, beginning from Matthew chapter 5 onward to Revelation, therefore He commissions them as Apostles make likewise disciples of 'all nations', consisting of scattered Jews and Gentiles alike. Mark and Luke were part of their 'fruit', among the churches, with the help of CHRIST JESUS and the HOLY SPIRIT in them. As disciples themselves, Mark and Luke likewise gave the other two testament of the Gospel, which began from Jerusalem by JESUS.

Therefore from the making disciples of all nations from that day forward, to the establishment of churches, even ones through the HOLY BIBLE today likewise, are to 'do' and 'abide' in the teaching of LORD JESUS CHRIST in the New Testament.

2 Timothy 3:

16. All Scripture is breathed out by GOD and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
17. that the man of GOD may be competent, equipped for every good work.

1 John 2:

26. I write these things to you about those who are trying to deceive you.
27. But the anointing that you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need that anyone should teach you. But as His anointing teaches you about everything - and is true and is no lie, just as it has taught you - abide in Him.

Title: Re: 'SALVATION'
Post by: fredjames on February 11, 2018, 09:16:36 pm
2 John :

9. Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of CHRIST, does not have GOD. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the FATHER and the SON.
10. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting,
11. for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.

Therefore the church who do not abide in the teaching of CHRIST in the New Testament of the HOLY BIBLE, have not GOD, and are onto 'wicked works' themselves, as ones who do not bring this teaching accordingly likewise in testament. And the ones who greets them even, take part in their 'wicked works'.


Matthew 7:

21. "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord, will enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but the one who does the will of My FATHER who is in Heaven.
22. On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?'
23. And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness'
Title: Re: 'SALVATION'
Post by: Hal on February 12, 2018, 12:03:25 am
Matthew 28:

19. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the FATHER and of the SON and of the HOLY SPIRIT,
20. teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age."


Since JESUS had chose the Twelve and made them disciples through His teaching/word Himself, beginning from Matthew chapter 5 onward to Revelation, therefore He commissions them as Apostles make likewise disciples of 'all nations', consisting of scattered Jews and Gentiles alike. Mark and Luke were part of their 'fruit', among the churches, with the help of CHRIST JESUS and the HOLY SPIRIT in them. As disciples themselves, Mark and Luke likewise gave the other two testament of the Gospel, which began from Jerusalem by JESUS.

Therefore from the making disciples of all nations from that day forward, to the establishment of churches, even ones through the HOLY BIBLE today likewise, are to 'do' and 'abide' in the teaching of LORD JESUS CHRIST in the New Testament.

2 Timothy 3:

16. All Scripture is breathed out by GOD and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
17. that the man of GOD may be competent, equipped for every good work.

1 John 2:

26. I write these things to you about those who are trying to deceive you.
27. But the anointing that you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need that anyone should teach you. But as His anointing teaches you about everything - and is true and is no lie, just as it has taught you - abide in Him.

Did you ever consider why Christ change His instructions?

Quote
Matt 10:2 These are the names of the twelve apostles: first, Simon (who is called Peter) and his brother Andrew; James son of Zebedee, and his brother John; 3 Philip and Bartholomew; Thomas and Matthew the tax collector; James son of Alphaeus, and Thaddaeus; 4 Simon the Zealot and Judas Iscariot, who betrayed him. 5 These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: “Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. 6 Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel. 7 As you go, proclaim this message: ‘The kingdom of heaven has come near.’

Title: Re: 'SALVATION'
Post by: biblebuf on February 12, 2018, 06:03:13 pm
Did you ever consider why Christ change His instructions?

Hal
A bigger question is, did the 12 disciples preached the same gospel as Paul's gospel?  In other words, did the Jews received the good news of the gospel of grace through the cross, or were the Jews given the gospel of the kingdom without understanding of the cross? First Peter is about as close as I can find.

Peter also in 2 Peter recognizes the deference in Paul's gospel.

2 Peter 3:15 Also, regard the patience of our Lord as [an opportunity for] salvation, just as our dear brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you. 16 He speaks about these things in all his letters, in which there are some matters that are hard to understand. The untaught and unstable twist them to their own destruction, as they also do with the rest of the Scriptures.

The gospel of the kingdom of God VS the gospel of Grace.   JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT

BB
Title: Re: 'SALVATION'
Post by: fredjames on February 12, 2018, 06:27:43 pm
Did you ever consider why Christ change His instructions?

CHRIST did not change His instruction, but rather meant, as according to your quotation, in the beginning from Jerusalem, instructing sending not only His chosen twelve, but also seventy two other followers of His, to go forth ahead of Him and bring the Good News of the Kingdom of GOD is at hand to, and deliver from oppression, the lost tribes of Israel first.

Did we as the church, neither Jews or Gentiles, in equality who supposedly 'abiding' according to the New Covenant teaching of CHRIST JESUS our LORD, by today having the 'All Scripture = HOLY BIBLE', and sound doctrine knowledge filled, spiritually considered that the Good News was suppose to go to the lost tribes of Israel first......??

And moreover have we not also considered according to the New Testament further, that the Jews were made 'partially harden', to reject the Good News, and have their MESSIAH crucified by the Gentiles(Romans), as according to GOD's will. And therefore from them, the Good News henceforth would go to the Gentiles in order for them to be saved as well......??

Romans 11:

25. Lest you(Gentiles) be wise in your own conceit, I want you to understand this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.
26. And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written, "The deliverer will come from Zion, He will banish ungodliness from Jacob";
27. "and this will be covenant with them when I take away their sins." 
28. As regards the Gospel, they are enemies of GOD for your sake(Gentiles sake). But as regards election, they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers.
29. For the gifts and calling of GOD are irrevocable.
30. Just as you(Gentiles) were at one time disobedient to GOD but now have received mercy because of their disobedience,
31. so they too have now been disobedient in order that by the mercy shown to you they also may now receive mercy.
32. For GOD has consigned all to disobedience, that HE may have mercy on all.

33. Oh, the depth of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of GOD! How unsearchable are HIS judgements and how inscrutable HIS ways!
34. "For who as known the mind of the LORD, or who have been HIS counselor?"
35. "Or who has given a gift to HIM that HE might be repaid?"
36. For from HIM and through HIM and to HIM are all things. To HIM be Glory forever. Amen.
Title: Re: 'SALVATION'
Post by: fredjames on February 12, 2018, 07:48:35 pm
Brethren, before Apostle Paul were chosen as CHRIST JESUS our LORD's 'instrument', in order to carry His name;

Acts 9:

15. But the LORD said to him, "Go, for he is an chosen instrument of mine to carry my name before the Gentiles and kings and the children of Israel.


The eleven Apostles were instructed by the LORD, before even to Apostle Paul to carry His name, the exact same, to reach out to the people of all nations;

Matthew 28:

19. "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the FATHER and of the SON and of the HOLY SPIRIT,
30. teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age."

The 'Twelve Apostles' were preaching the same Gospel to all nations, consisting of Jews and Gentiles alike, and making disciples of them too. And therefore baptizing them in the name of the FATHER and of the SON and of the HOLY SPIRIT. While Apostle Paul on the other hand was teaching the extensive mystery and wisdom in relativeness to the Gospel as well, as his given Gospel.

Please let us not be wise in our own conceit as Gentiles, and be twat that there were two different Gospels preached and taught, one for the Jews and another for the Gentiles. And therefore the Gentiles must disregard CHRIST's teaching testified in the four Gospels, that were supposedly meant for the Jews....??

Apostle Paul also was to carry the LORD's name to the children of Israel, therefore how can the Gospel differ...??

Having the New Testament teaching of LORD JESUS CHRIST in the HOLY BIBLE today, i perceive and believe 'these' in whole, from according to Matthew's testament and to the Revelation of John's testament, even prior to 'epistles' written for the churches, were orally preached and taught and read to all their established, through CHRIST JESUS our LORD and the HOLY SPIRIT, churches. Taking turns themselves in visitation to all these established churches of CHRIST, or in their absence, by the chosen thirteen Apostles in service to built the church up. That is, as according to their distributed gifts and wisdom given them from above in regards the Gospel. Therefore together 'incorporate' them all as sound doctrine of their New Covenant faith in 'oneness', being circulated among them for doctrine. And also too in continuation, those who have taken after them, preached and taught and read the same to their churches henceforth, even after the thirteen's departure......   

 
Title: Re: 'SALVATION'
Post by: Hal on February 13, 2018, 01:07:02 am
Hal
A bigger question is, did the 12 disciples preached the same gospel as Paul's gospel?  In other words, did the Jews received the good news of the gospel of grace through the cross, or were the Jews given the gospel of the kingdom without understanding of the cross? First Peter is about as close as I can find.

Peter also in 2 Peter recognizes the deference in Paul's gospel.

2 Peter 3:15 Also, regard the patience of our Lord as [an opportunity for] salvation, just as our dear brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you. 16 He speaks about these things in all his letters, in which there are some matters that are hard to understand. The untaught and unstable twist them to their own destruction, as they also do with the rest of the Scriptures.

The gospel of the kingdom of God VS the gospel of Grace.   JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT

BB

BB

John the Baptist preached repentance  "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand" Matt 3:2. And he baptized with water but Christ never never baptized with water but He sent His Disciples out to baptize with water.  Paul on the other hand was not sent to baptize the Gentiles. 1 Cor 1:17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not in cleverness of speech, so that the cross of Christ would not be made void.

Quote from:  fredjames
The 'Twelve Apostles' were preaching the same Gospel to all nations, consisting of Jews and Gentiles alike, and making disciples of them too. And therefore baptizing them in the name of the FATHER and of the SON and of the HOLY SPIRIT. While Apostle Paul on the other hand was teaching the extensive mystery and wisdom in relativeness to the Gospel as well, as his given Gospel.

 Quoting Fred I think we can agree that Paul was sent to teach the Gentiles something different than what the other apostles were teaching. Remember that Paul got into some major arguments with the Jewish Christians who were cleaning the law and trying to get the Gentiles to switch to obeying the Jewish laws. I'm thinking specifically of the book of Galatians 2:11-21.  In fact Peter capitulated to Paul's argument and allowed Paul to continue his ministry.  In fact Peter confirm this near the end of his ministry, 2 Peter 3:15 Also, regard the patience of our Lord as [an opportunity for] salvation, just as our dear brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you. 16 He speaks about these things in all his letters, in which there are some matters that are hard to understand. The untaught and unstable twist them to their own destruction, as they also do with the rest of the Scriptures.

 So it is obvious that the same message was not being given to both the Jews and the Gentiles. There is only one way to salvation, that is clear, but the Church and Israel are not the same. If you believe that the church is going to be ruptured before the tribulation, what could the tribulation and the millennium be about if it's not a bout the Jews? Why is it that the temple will again be rebuilt and animal sacrifices will resume?

There will always be a remnant of Israel that will be a part of the body of Christ. Revelation tells us that there will be at least 144,000 that will go through the tribulation.

You're right BB it's something to think about :-\
Title: Re: 'SALVATION'
Post by: fredjames on February 13, 2018, 11:37:57 pm
BB

John the Baptist preached repentance  "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand" Matt 3:2. And he baptized with water but Christ never never baptized with water but He sent His Disciples out to baptize with water.  Paul on the other hand was not sent to baptize the Gentiles. 1 Cor 1:17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not in cleverness of speech, so that the cross of Christ would not be made void.

This is because the preaching of John the Baptist, for repentance and the confession of all sins, and water baptism is conducted by Apostle Peter and fellow Apostles, and perhaps with their disciples of all nations. As they are evidently testified in the four Gospels and book of Acts done by them as well, even to Gentiles, where too is profitable for our teaching in faith and action today as the church. This is because the house of Gentile Cornelius by Apostle Peter and the Eunuch by Apostle Philip, were baptized with water as well....

And Apostle Paul's given gift and wisdom is to built up the church by prophesying to them, about unity and orderly doctrine in faith and love of the church toward one another.

Christ was not baptizing indeed because He was proclaiming teaching crowds, about and what the Kingdom of GOD is like, even performing miracles. But nevertheless, He was with His disciples who were baptizing on the other side of the Jordan river, while John the Baptist was baptizing at the same time on one side of the river. And CHRIST Himself too in John's Gospel did proclaim generally, as hinting to Nicodemus about the compulsory of water baptism, and also the baptism of the HOLY SPIRIT, as consecutively required in order for one to be born again and from above. Therefore then one is able to 'see' and 'enter' the Kingdom of GOD. As Nicodemus, a teacher of Israel of GOD's precepts, was unable to, at that time to perceive CHRIST's teaching, about one must be born again.

 Matthew 28:

19. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the FATHER, and of the SON, and of the HOLY GHOST:
20. Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. A-men.
Title: Re: 'SALVATION'
Post by: fredjames on February 14, 2018, 03:01:54 am
Quoting Fred I think we can agree that Paul was sent to teach the Gentiles something different than what the other apostles were teaching. Remember that Paul got into some major arguments with the Jewish Christians who were cleaning the law and trying to get the Gentiles to switch to obeying the Jewish laws. I'm thinking specifically of the book of Galatians 2:11-21.  In fact Peter capitulated to Paul's argument and allowed Paul to continue his ministry.  In fact Peter confirm this near the end of his ministry, 2 Peter 3:15 Also, regard the patience of our Lord as [an opportunity for] salvation, just as our dear brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you. 16 He speaks about these things in all his letters, in which there are some matters that are hard to understand. The untaught and unstable twist them to their own destruction, as they also do with the rest of the Scriptures.

Galatians 2:

14. But when I saw that they walk not uprightly according to the truth of the Gospel, ....................

Apostle Paul, himself agrees and acknowledges that there is one truth of the Gospel, that they similarly supposedly share in faith with one another. And here whether they in wisdom have come to perceive or not, but in action to Paul they seem not to walk uprightly accordingly. This is probably according to the enhanced wisdom given Paul by our LORD, in revelation understanding thoroughly more about the truth of the Gospel in depth. Where he indeed witness they walk not uprightly, here in the matters of communing with the Gentiles. Seemingly, they are still bound by the Law of Moses in 'division', between the circumcised and uncircumcised, which as to Paul, CHRIST have had them 'abolished', even circumcision in another matter.

It was Apostle Peter's action that caused the chain reaction of the other Jews there to follow, segregating themselves from tables of the Gentiles, when he saw James' men from Jerusalem, sent for him. In the church of the Jews in Jerusalem, not everyone are fully converted to the teaching and faith of the truth of the Gospel. Even Apostle Paul, at one time when he went to see Peter in Jerusalem, he witnessed there were 'sneaked in Jews' among believers. Apostle Peter and many of the Jewish Christians still remain in Jerusalem and Jerusalem church, with James as the leader. Therefore persecution of Jewish Christians, especially the disciples of CHRIST, following JESUS whom they crucified, is even greater than Apostle Paul out there. Moreover Paul is the most wanted man by the Jews in Jerusalem, where he once escaped persecution, let down by a basket, and since never returned.

Apostle Peter did not have issues to meat with Gentile Christians, as prior to this, in Joppa, the house of Simon, he already received a 'vision', in regards to the Gentiles, as they are equally clean and accepted by GOD. And due to this 'vision', he then boldly proceeded to the house of Cornelius, the Gentile in order to ordain them equally in faith with CHRIST.

Peter 'capitulated' not to Paul's enhanced revelational doctrine in full truth of the Gospel, according to the wisdom given him. And which himself did claim it is difficult to understand, while there are others who twist them, so they do other Scriptures, to their own destruction. But rather Peter was pierced of his 'hypocrisy', claimed Paul, in pleasing the Jews from the Gentiles, when put to the 'test of faith'.

Today, from that day Apostle Peter did not have in compilation these writings, even Paul's, to study and refer, in order to perceive in sound doctrine knowledge, the full truth of the Gospel. Yet, we have them in 27 books compilation and with the Help of the HOLY SPIRIT, that is from the Gospel according to Matthew till the Gospel Revelation according to John. Where each of them have 'testified' 'differently' in doctrine, while there are some similarities rather, inspired as their individual account and according to the wisdom given them.

Does this mean according to some believers, that from the compilation of 27 books in the New Testament, each testified even ones extensively in revelation from the LORD, and according to the gifts and wisdom given them individually, we are to distinguish and choose which teaching is for us, and which is for the Jews...?

This is evidently as a result today, to the various divided 'denominations', even their believers as a testament here, having accepted, as Apostle Paul said it, 'another jesus and another spirit'. And their testament in division, debunks 2 Timothy 3:16&17, period

P.S. Therefore i hope in their church they do segregate the Jews from the Gentiles, and give them as a sermon from the LORD, their individually given Gospel Scriptures in the New Testament. That is the twelve testified for the Jews alone 'verses' and sermon for the day, and Paul's testified version for the Gentiles 'verses' and sermon for the day, as individual doctrine for both for the day building them up divided in faith. And too pray divided from one another to GOD.

   
Title: Re: 'SALVATION'
Post by: fredjames on February 14, 2018, 08:01:48 pm
Galatians 2:

14. But when I saw that they walk not uprightly according to the truth of the Gospel, ....................

Apostle Paul, himself agrees and acknowledges that there is one truth of the Gospel, that they similarly supposedly share in faith with one another. And here whether they in wisdom have come to perceive or not, but in action to Paul they seem not to walk uprightly accordingly. This is probably according to the enhanced wisdom given Paul by our LORD, in revelation understanding thoroughly more about the truth of the Gospel in depth. Where he indeed witness they walk not uprightly, here in the matters of communing with the Gentiles. Seemingly, they are still bound by the Law of Moses in 'division', between the circumcised and uncircumcised, which as to Paul, CHRIST have had them 'abolished', even circumcision in another matter.

It was Apostle Peter's action that caused the chain reaction of the other Jews there to follow, segregating themselves from tables of the Gentiles, when he saw James' men from Jerusalem, sent for him. In the church of the Jews in Jerusalem, not everyone are fully converted to the teaching and faith of the truth of the Gospel. Even Apostle Paul, at one time when he went to see Peter in Jerusalem, he witnessed there were 'sneaked in Jews' among believers. Apostle Peter and many of the Jewish Christians still remain in Jerusalem and Jerusalem church, with James as the leader. Therefore persecution of Jewish Christians, especially the disciples of CHRIST, following JESUS whom they crucified, is even greater than Apostle Paul out there. Moreover Paul is the most wanted man by the Jews in Jerusalem, where he once escaped persecution, let down by a basket, and since never returned.

Apostle Peter did not have issues to meat with Gentile Christians, as prior to this, in Joppa, the house of Simon, he already received a 'vision', in regards to the Gentiles, as they are equally clean and accepted by GOD. And due to this 'vision', he then boldly proceeded to the house of Cornelius, the Gentile in order to ordain them equally in faith with CHRIST.

Peter 'capitulated' not to Paul's enhanced revelational doctrine in full truth of the Gospel, according to the wisdom given him. And which himself did claim it is difficult to understand, while there are others who twist them, so they do other Scriptures, to their own destruction. But rather Peter was pierced of his 'hypocrisy', claimed Paul, in pleasing the Jews from the Gentiles, when put to the 'test of faith'.

Today, from that day Apostle Peter did not have in compilation these writings, even Paul's, to study and refer, in order to perceive in sound doctrine knowledge, the full truth of the Gospel. Yet, we have them in 27 books compilation and with the Help of the HOLY SPIRIT, that is from the Gospel according to Matthew till the Gospel Revelation according to John. Where each of them have 'testified' 'differently' in doctrine, while there are some similarities rather, inspired as their individual account and according to the wisdom given them.

Does this mean according to some believers, that from the compilation of 27 books in the New Testament, each testified even ones extensively in revelation from the LORD, and according to the gifts and wisdom given them individually, we are to distinguish and choose which teaching is for us, and which is for the Jews...?

This is evidently as a result today, to the various divided 'denominations', even their believers as a testament here, having accepted, as Apostle Paul said it, 'another jesus and another spirit'. And their testament in division, debunks 2 Timothy 3:16&17, period

P.S. Therefore i hope in their church they do segregate the Jews from the Gentiles, and give them as a sermon from the LORD, their individually given Gospel Scriptures in the New Testament. That is the twelve testified for the Jews alone 'verses' and sermon for the day, and Paul's testified version for the Gentiles 'verses' and sermon for the day. As giving them separately individual doctrine for both for the day building them up to be divided in faith. And too pray divided prayers accordingly from one another to GOD. This proves that the division remain the same after CHRIST, proclaimed by the Gentiles today....

   

James 3:

1. My brethren, be not many masters(teachers), knowing that we shall receive the 'greater condemnation'(strict judgement).
Title: Re: 'SALVATION'
Post by: biblebuf on February 16, 2018, 12:35:06 am
BB

John the Baptist preached repentance  "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand" Matt 3:2. And he baptized with water but Christ never never baptized with water but He sent His Disciples out to baptize with water.  Paul on the other hand was not sent to baptize the Gentiles. 1 Cor 1:17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not in cleverness of speech, so that the cross of Christ would not be made void.

 Quoting Fred I think we can agree that Paul was sent to teach the Gentiles something different than what the other apostles were teaching. Remember that Paul got into some major arguments with the Jewish Christians who were cleaning the law and trying to get the Gentiles to switch to obeying the Jewish laws. I'm thinking specifically of the book of Galatians 2:11-21.  In fact Peter capitulated to Paul's argument and allowed Paul to continue his ministry.  In fact Peter confirm this near the end of his ministry, 2 Peter 3:15 Also, regard the patience of our Lord as [an opportunity for] salvation, just as our dear brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you. 16 He speaks about these things in all his letters, in which there are some matters that are hard to understand. The untaught and unstable twist them to their own destruction, as they also do with the rest of the Scriptures.

 So it is obvious that the same message was not being given to both the Jews and the Gentiles. There is only one way to salvation, that is clear, but the Church and Israel are not the same. If you believe that the church is going to be ruptured before the tribulation, what could the tribulation and the millennium be about if it's not a bout the Jews? Why is it that the temple will again be rebuilt and animal sacrifices will resume?

There will always be a remnant of Israel that will be a part of the body of Christ. Revelation tells us that there will be at least 144,000 that will go through the tribulation.

You're right BB it's something to think about :-\

The king and kingdom was promised to the nation of Israel

Luke 1:69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;


The grace of God is offered freely to all

Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

The kingdom was spoken about since the world began

Acts 3:21-25 21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.
25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

The dispensation of God’s grace was kept secret since the world began

Rom 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
Title: Re: 'SALVATION'
Post by: fredjames on February 20, 2018, 12:58:02 am
Receiving Salvation from the Kingdom of GOD of above promised to the house of Jacob, as there were a remnant chosen by grace, henceforth through them were also promised to the Gentiles. For GOD ordained so that the Gospel of the Kingdom be preached to the lost tribes of Israel first, and then will go to the Gentiles. That is upon when the remaining 'partial harden' Jews in Israel reject the Gospel and have their MESSIAH crucified by the Gentiles. Unknowingly the Jews actually offered their MESSIAH as a sacrifice for the atonement of all sins once and for all. As the Passover lamb of GOD who have come to take away the sins of the world.   

Luke 1:

32. He shall be great, and be called SON of the HIGHEST: and the LORD GOD shall give unto Him the throne of His father David: (as a man and as the MESSIAH promised to and to liberate Israel from their enemies)
33. And He shall reign over the house of Jacob forever; and of His Kingdom there shall be no end.

Romans 10:

16. But they(Israel) have not all obeyed the Gospel. For E-sa'-ias saith, LORD, who hath believed our report?
17. So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of GOD.
18. But I say, "Have they not heard?" Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the earth.
19. But I say, "Did not Israel know?" First Moses saith, "I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation(Gentiles) I will anger you."
20. But E-sa'-ias is very bold, and saith, "I was found of them(Gentiles) that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them(Gentiles) that asked not after me."
21. But to Israel he saith, "All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto to a disobedient and gainsaying people(Gentiles)."

Romans 11:

25. For I would not, brethren, that ye(Gentiles) should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye(Gentiles) be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part has happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in.
26. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, "There shall come out of Si'-on the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27. For this is MY Covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
28. As concerning the Gospel, they are enemies for your(Gentile) sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the forefathers' sakes.
29. For the gifts and calling of GOD are without repentance.
30. For as ye(Gentiles) in times past have not believed GOD, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31. Even so have these also now not believe, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
32. For GOD hath concluded them all in unbelief, that HE might have mercy upon all.
Title: Re: 'SALVATION'
Post by: fredjames on February 20, 2018, 01:25:20 am
For receiving Salvation to get into the Kingdom of GOD is one thing, and being in the Kingdom of GOD henceforth is another, where JESUS through Apostle Paul says,

Philippians 2:

12. Wherefore, my beloved, *as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, *work out your own Salvation with fear and trembling. ~ ' * ' - Phil. 1:5&6 ; 4:15 / - 2Peter1:10


2 John 1:

9. Whoever transgresseth, and abide not in the doctrine of CHRIST, hath not GOD. He that abideth in the doctrine of CHRIST, he hath both the FATHER and the SON.