Isa 42:6
I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
This is a prophecy of Jesus Christ in His Covenant Mission from the Father, and the promise is that He is given for a Covenant for the People, for a light of the gentiles ! See also Isa 49:8 !
Now Christ being given as a Covenant for the People means that He is the one who fulfills all the stipulations and conditions of the Covenant in order to the people reaping the benefits of it, in order that those benefits shall be Sovereignly applied to them ! One such benefit is to give them Spiritual Illumination and Faith. As here Acts 26:18
To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.
| it appears that you believe that Christ was first promised to the Jews and that is not so. |
fat
it appears that you believe that Christ was first promised to the Jews and that is not so.
You must did not read vs 6 of Isa 42:6
6 I the Lord have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
Cut N Paste
THE COVENANT OF GOD!!
fatYou're trying to sell something that has already been bought. At sometime you must look beyond your own salvation and understand that Christ is about glorifying the Father. You can not give me one reason why you are one of the elect unless it is to be used for His glory, what other reason is there for your existence? Understanding starts in Gen 3.
Do you understand the points I made in my Two previous posts ?
You're trying to sell something that has already been bought
His Covenant keeping was to establish the Earth not just jews
First of all, a correct translation reads; Isa 42:6
fat
No need for that correction, you are still it seems missing the point !
I can understand why you don't want to be corrected.
To restore the land and that Land being Israel.
IHS
Fat
There are no physical land promises for ethnic israel today, those promises were fulfilled already back in the Day, sorry ! See Joshua and Neh !
This thread will show how Eternal Life was promised from before the world began, premised on an Everlasting Covenant that convened before the world began !
There are no physical land promises for ethnic israel today, those promises were fulfilled already back in the Day, sorry ! See Joshua and Neh !
Ezekiel 38:1–23
Prophecy about Gog and Future Invasion of Israel
1 And the word of the LORD came to me saying, 2 "Son of man, set your face toward Gog of the land of Magog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him 3 and say, 'Thus says the Lord GOD, "Behold, I am against you, O Gog, prince of Rosh, Meshech and Tubal. 4 "I will turn you about and put hooks into your jaws, and I will bring you out, and all your army, horses and horsemen, all of them splendidly attired, a great company with buckler and shield, all of them wielding swords ; 5 Persia, Ethiopia and Put with them, all of them with shield and helmet ; 6 Gomer with all its troops ; Beth-togarmah from the remote parts of the north with all its troops -many peoples with you. 7 "Be prepared, and prepare yourself, you and all your companies that are assembled about you, and be a guard for them. 8 "After many days you will be summoned ; in the latter years you will come into the land that is restored from the sword, whose inhabitants have been gathered from many nations to the mountains of Israel which had been a continual waste ; but its people were brought out from the nations, and they are living securely, all of them. 9 "You will go up, you will come like a storm ; you will be like a cloud covering the land, you and all your troops, and many peoples with you." 10 'Thus says the Lord GOD, "It will come about on that day, that thoughts will come into your mind and you will devise an evil plan, 11 and you will say, 'I will go up against the land of unwalled villages. I will go against those who are at rest, that live securely, all of them living without walls and having no bars or gates, 12 to capture spoil and to seize plunder, to turn your hand against the waste places which are now inhabited, and against the people who are gathered from the nations, who have acquired cattle and goods, who live at the center of the world.' 13 "Sheba and Dedan and the merchants of Tarshish with all its villages will say to you, 'Have you come to capture spoil ? Have you assembled your company to seize plunder, to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to capture great spoil ?' "' 14 "Therefore prophesy, son of man, and say to Gog, 'Thus says the Lord GOD, "On that day when My people Israel are living securely, will you not know it? 15 "You will come from your place out of the remote parts of the north, you and many peoples with you, all of them riding on horses, a great assembly and a mighty army ; 16 and you will come up against My people Israel like a cloud to cover the land. It shall come about in the last days that I will bring you against My land, so that the nations may know Me when I am sanctified through you before their eyes, O Gog." 17 'Thus says the Lord GOD, "Are you the one of whom I spoke in former days through My servants the prophets of Israel, who prophesied in those days for many years that I would bring you against them? 18 "It will come about on that day, when Gog comes against the land of Israel," declares the Lord GOD, "that My fury will mount up in My anger. 19 "In My zeal and in My blazing wrath I declare that on that day there will surely be a great earthquake in the land of Israel. 20 "The fish of the sea, the birds of the heavens, the beasts of the field, all the creeping things that creep on the earth, and all the men who are on the face of the earth will shake at My presence ; the mountains also will be thrown down, the steep pathways will collapse and every wall will fall to the ground. 21 "I will call for a sword against him on all My mountains," declares the Lord GOD. "Every man's sword will be against his brother. 22 "With pestilence and with blood I will enter into judgment with him; and I will rain on him and on his troops, and on the many peoples who are with him, a torrential rain, with hailstones , fire and brimstone. 23 "I will magnify Myself, sanctify Myself, and make Myself known in the sight of many nations ; and they will know that I am the LORD."'
Revelation 7:4 And I heard the number of those who were sealed, one hundred and forty-four thousand sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel : 5 the tribe of Judah, twelve thousand were sealed, from the tribe of Reuben twelve thousand, from the tribe of Gad twelve thousand, 6 the tribe of Asher twelve thousand, from the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand, from the tribe of Manasseh twelve thousand, 7 the tribe of Simeon twelve thousand, from the tribe of Levi twelve thousand, from the tribe of Issachar twelve thousand, 8 the tribe of Zebulun twelve thousand, from the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand, from the tribe of Benjamin, twelve thousand were sealed.
Revelation 14: 1 Then I looked, and behold, the Lamb was standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His name and the name of His Father written on their foreheads. 2 And I heard a voice from heaven, like the sound of many waters and like the sound of loud thunder, and the voice which I heard was like the sound of harpists playing on their harps. 3 And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders ; and no one could learn the song except the one hundred and forty-four thousand who had been purchased from the earth. 4 These are the ones who have not been defiled with women, for they have kept themselves chaste. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These have been purchased from among men as first fruits to God and to the Lamb. 5 And no lie was found in their mouth ; they are blameless.
6 And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, having an eternal gospel to preach to those who live on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people ;
People of the many nations are this world..
Say WHAT??
That is some sick logic. If God wanted to say the world He would have said ALL nations.
I have been reading your post and to tell you the truth, I don't think you have a clue of what you are talking about.
The World is comprised of all the Nations Matt 24:14
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
k 12:30
For all these things do the nations of the world seek after: and your Father knoweth that ye have need of these things.
Rom 5:11
11And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
The Atonement of Christ has reconciled the elect world to God. It secured and ensured for it [ the elect world] every spiritual blessing needed to live unto God and for His Glory through Jesus christ.
Even before the elect are born into this world as sinners, they have already [by the blood of Christ] been reconciled to God, it will now be a matter of time for it to be manifested.
The atonement accomplished the complete salvation for all whom it was offered for, that is the death of christ. It provides them Faith, repentance, sanctification, redemption, and every needful spiritual blessing to convert them to God, and remain secured forever.
Do you believe that the elect is reconciled to God even before the repentance?
Yes, the Elect are reconciled to God by the Death of His Son,m while they are enemies. Rom 5:10
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
So you're saying that being reconciliation is is separate from salvation?
mac
I am not saying nothing, but only witnessing to the Truth, you either believe it or not. Now does not Rom 5:10 teach that the elect are reconciled to God by Christ's Death even while they are enemies or not !
What it says is, "For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life."
mac
I know that is what it says, I posted it remember ? Now do you believe it ? Those Christ died for are reconciled to God, by Christ's death, while in themselves being enemies. Do you believe that ? If not then show us why not !
Yes you know what it says but do you know what it means.
savedbymercy
You have been asked to defend your faith by addressing a question about scripture you chose to make your claim of truth.
It is not the role of the rest of the members of this board to justify your belief, it is your role.
Please clarify your belief.
Dude
Remember we had a guy here that tried to make the case that salvation came before repentance? I think this is the same kind of claim but he/she slipped up in choise of verses.I think you have him wrong, it's a writing style he uses. He writes as if everything that is ordained to happen has happen. If you read it that way it makes sense.
These kind of claims deny the need for the work of the Holy Spirit.
IMHO
Remember we had a guy here that tried to make the case that salvation came before repentance? I think this is the same kind of claim but he/she slipped up in choise of verses.
These kind of claims deny the need for the work of the Holy Spirit.
IMHO
Do you believe that the elect is reconciled to God even before the repentance?
Do you agree or not that the Elect are reconciled to God by the Death of His Son, ,while they are enemies or Not ! Rom 5:10
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Answer this question here. For I quoted this in response to a question to me. I am not the only one answering questions and defending, you and all others must be willing to defen your position and answer questionbs as well !
Now, I was asked this earlier
I responded with Rom 5:10. Now its time for you and others to answer my question, if not then just ban me, you and no one else is better than I am . Now if you do not want to answer it, just say so !
Rom 5:11
11And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
The Atonement of Christ has reconciled the elect world to God. It secured and ensured for it [ the elect world] every spiritual blessing needed to live unto God and for His Glory through Jesus christ.
Even before the elect are born into this world as sinners, they have already [by the blood of Christ] been reconciled to God, it will now be a matter of time for it to be manifested.
The atonement accomplished the complete salvation for all whom it was offered for, that is the death of christ. It provides them Faith, repentance, sanctification, redemption, and every needful spiritual blessing to convert them to God, and remain secured forever.
Do you believe that the elect is reconciled to God even before their repentance?
Even before the elect are born into this world as sinners, they have already [by the blood of Christ] been reconciled to God.If you consider being reconciled to God to be the same as saved then you have major problems, if not then then there would be no argument. You have dodged Mac's question repeatedly by answering with a question that has nothing to do with what he asked you.
Now, I was asked this earlier
I responded with Rom 5:10. Now its time for you and others to answer my question, if not then just ban me, you and no one else is better than I am . Now if you do not want to answer it, just say so !
You argument was with Mac but I'll gladly step in.
Now Mac asked you a simple question.
fat
Good. Please
Do you believe that the elect is reconciled to God even before their repentance?
Yes, and my answer was Yes, in that God is reconciled to His Elect, by the Death of His Son, WHILE THEY ARE Enemies !
While the Elect are enemies, they have not yet repented .
Now, I ask you ! Does not Rom 5:10 teach that those Christ died for have been [past tense] reconciled to God, while they are enemies . That means of course enemies in their minds as Per Col 1:21
And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
I am going to make an assumption here so please correct me if I am off. You believe that the Elect are reconciled with God before they are born at the Cross, but being that they have not yet repented they are not born again or as it is commonly called saved, is this correct?
If this assumption is correct my answer is yes if I am incorrect my answer is no.
Now, I ask you ! Does not Rom 5:10 teach that those Christ died for have been [past tense] reconciled to God, while they are enemies . That means of course enemies in their minds as Per Col 1:21
And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled