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'Marriage'
fredjames:
Is marriage between a husband and a wife, is a three way thing including GOD, called the marriage trinity.....?
But in the New Testament GOD teaches through LORD JESUS CHRIST, who is full of grace and truth, otherwise disturbing....
(WYC) Luke 14:
26. If any man cometh to me [If any man come to me], and hateth not his father, and mother, and wife, and sons, and brethren, and sisters, and yet [forsooth] his own life, he may not be my disciple.
27. And he that beareth not his cross, and cometh after me, may not be my disciple.
33. So therefore each of you, that foresaketh not all things that he hath [that renounceth not, or foresaketh not, all things he wieldeth], may not be my disciple.
Matthew 28:
19. Therefore go ye, and teach all folks, baptizing them in the name of the FATHER, and of the SON, and of the HOLY GHOST;
20. teaching them to keep all things I have commanded to you, and lo! I am with you in all days, into the end of the world.
biblebuf:
--- Quote from: fredjames on March 13, 2018, 03:24:53 am ---Is marriage between a husband and a wife, is a three way thing including GOD, called the marriage trinity.....?
But in the New Testament GOD teaches through LORD JESUS CHRIST, who is full of grace and truth, otherwise disturbing....
(WYC) Luke 14:
26. If any man cometh to me [If any man come to me], and hateth not his father, and mother, and wife, and sons, and brethren, and sisters, and yet [forsooth] his own life, he may not be my disciple.
27. And he that beareth not his cross, and cometh after me, may not be my disciple.
33. So therefore each of you, that foresaketh not all things that he hath [that renounceth not, or foresaketh not, all things he wieldeth], may not be my disciple.
Matthew 28:
19. Therefore go ye, and teach all folks, baptizing them in the name of the FATHER, and of the SON, and of the HOLY GHOST;
20. teaching them to keep all things I have commanded to you, and lo! I am with you in all days, into the end of the world.
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The word hate here is used to mean lesser love.
--- Quote ---G3404 (Strong)
μισέω
miseō
mis-eh'-o
From a primary word μῖσος misos (hatred); to detest (especially to persecute); by extension to love less: - hate (-ful).
Total KJV occurrences: 42
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After all is it not written:
"It shall come about, if you listen obediently to my commandments which I am commanding you today, to love the LORD your God and to serve Him with all your heart and all your soul, Deuteronomy 11:13
But yet:
"The second is like it, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.' Matthew 22:39
The Lord comes before even yourself, remember you and your wife are one flesh, but Christ is the head of your family.
John 17:21 that they may all be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.
fredjames:
--- Quote from: biblebuf on March 13, 2018, 07:09:47 pm ---The word hate here is used to mean lesser love.
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Dear 'biblebuf', as it is written,
(AKJV) James 3:
1. My brethren, be not many masters(teachers), knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation(stricter judgement).
The Scripture in context 'debunks' your false teaching in regards to Luke 14:26, that 'hate here is used to mean lesser love'.
Well brethren, we missed out verse 33 in context, where it is written what CHRIST meant by 'hate'.
(AKJV) Luke 14:
33. So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.
And JESUS said in another account that whosoever forsake 'these' for the Kingdom sake, will gain even more.
Why?
Matthew 8:
21. And another of His disciples said unto Him, LORD, suffer me first to go and bury my father.
22. But JESUS said unto him, Follow me, and let the dead bury their dead.
Therefore JESUS calls His disciples to forsake all those who are dead in sin and death, as well as those who have physically died, and follow Him. And how will these still alive but dead to sin and death will 'live'?
John 5:
25. Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the SON of GOD: and they that hear shall live.
Ephesians 2:
1. And you hath HE quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
5. Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with CHRIST, (by grace ye are saved;)
--- Quote ---The Lord comes before even yourself, remember you and your wife are one flesh, but Christ is the head of your family.
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Again, the Scripture debunks your false teaching, for as it is written,
(AKJV) 1 Corinthians 11:
3. But I would have you know, that the Head of every man is CHRIST; and the head of the woman is the man; and the HEAD of CHRIST is GOD.
Concerning 'one flesh', can also mean,
(AKJV) Ephesians 5:
31. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
32. This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning CHRIST and the church.
--- Quote ---John 17:21 that they may all be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.
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These prayer JESUS prayed for His men disciples, and too for the men disciples through them whom they will disciple, after Him. And they are the church, and with them are those who come in 'subordinate' to them and through them to CHRIST.
They are the disciples as today according to 2 Timothy 3: 16 & 17, so that a man of GOD may be perfect, thoroughly furnished for every good works.
biblebuf:
I can’t believe what you are saying, that men are told to hate their wives.
Is not the Church the bride of Christ?
Does Christ hate the Church?
Are not commanded to love are neighbors?
You would love your neighbors but hate your wife?
You believe that Christ teaches you that He hates the Church?
To the reader:
Satan is the master of deception always check the words of the man that calls himself FredJames with the scripture.
Fred teaches us that the scripture contradicts itself, this is blasphemy.
BB
God is the author of love, not hate.
Moss:
BB
You’re right, love your wife as Christ loves the Church. I have never seen anyone that did not understand the meaning of Luke 14:26 that called themselves Christian. This would completely change the nature of G-d.
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