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John 17:3- Who is the God of Jesus Christ?
theMadJW:
Revelation is a symbolic vision one cannot understand without knowing God and Christ FIRST.
Jesus now shares many Titles that only God had previouisly.
It has NOTHING to do with the deceptive translation of John 8:58
theMadJW:
Is it TRUE we never really die?
That we have 'immortal' souls that float off?
If so, what meaning does the Reward of Eternal Life have?
"Resurrection"?
biblebuf:
--- Quote from: theMadJW on April 27, 2013, 05:09:23 pm ---Revelation is a symbolic vision one cannot understand without knowing God and Christ FIRST.
Jesus now shares many Titles that only God had previouisly.
It has NOTHING to do with the deceptive translation of John 8:58
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--- Quote ---Jesus now shares many Titles that only God had previouisly.
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And that's it, your deep study into the trinity? Symbolic vision. They share titles.
Phat posted a biblical question for JW's that has yet to be answerred by any of them, The Jehovah's Witnesses have a savior or do they have two saviors? you can find it at http://biblediscussion.org/index.php/topic,219.msg1673.html#msg1673
With all your hours of studding the Scripture I an sure you can set him straight in his fallacy.
--- Quote from: NWT ---1 In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.2This one was in [the] beginning with God.3All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence.
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If the Word was with God in the beginning doesn't that mean that the Word was not created? Your translation has a few wholes in it.
biblebuf:
--- Quote from: theMadJW on April 27, 2013, 05:25:31 pm ---Is it TRUE we never really die?
That we have 'immortal' souls that float off?
If so, what meaning does the Reward of Eternal Life have?
"Resurrection"?
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Did God lie to Adam? "But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will positively die.” NWT
So death has to be defined, is the death of the body or death of the soul.
revelation 20:14
Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
Matt 25:46 NWT
And these will depart into everlasting cutting‐off, but the righteous ones into everlasting life.”
The actual text reads, "And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal."
kai apeleusontai outoi eis kolasin aiwnion oi de dikaioi eis zwhn aiwnion
As for as the resurrection, did Christ lie?
John 2:19 Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." 20 The Jews then said, "It took forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days ?" 21 But He was speaking of the temple of His body. 22 So when He was raised from the dead, His disciples remembered that He said this ; and they believed the Scripture and the word which Jesus had spoken.
--- Quote from: NWT ---19 In answer Jesus said to them: “Break down this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”20Therefore the Jews said: “This temple was built in forty‐six years, and will you raise it up in three days?”21 But he was talking about the temple of his body.
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JB Horn:
--- Quote from: theMadJW on April 27, 2013, 05:25:31 pm ---Is it TRUE we never really die?
That we have 'immortal' souls that float off?
If so, what meaning does the Reward of Eternal Life have?
"Resurrection"?
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Christ body was never corrupted so when he was resurrected he still carried the wounds of his death, as your translation teaches us.
Luke 24 NWT
39 See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself; feel me and see, because a spirit does not have flesh and bones just as YOU behold that I have.”40[[And as he said this he showed them his hands and his feet.]]41But while they were still not believing for sheer joy and were wondering, he said to them: “Do YOU have something there to eat?”42And they handed him a piece of broiled fish;43and he took it and ate it before their eyes.
What your translation also teaches us that man's body is corrupt and he will be given a new body that is uncorrupt when he is risen.
1 Cor. 15 NWT
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption, it is raised up in incorruption.43It is sown in dishonor, it is raised up in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised up in power.44It is sown a physical body, it is raised up a spiritual body. If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual one.45It is even so written: “The first man Adam became a living soul.” The last Adam became a life‐giving spirit.46Nevertheless, the first is, not that which is spiritual, but that which is physical, afterward that which is spiritual.47The first man is out of the earth and made of dust; the second man is out of heaven.48As the one made of dust [is], so those made of dust [are] also; and as the heavenly one [is], so those who are heavenly [are] also.49And just as we have borne the image of the one made of dust, we shall bear also the image of the heavenly one.
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