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Re: The Millennium And The Second Coming
« Reply #15 on: November 18, 2015, 03:56:15 AM »
Yep
The bible is unbiblical, I always knew it👮🏼

A comparison of Matt 24 with Luke 21 makes all this clear:

Mat 24:15  When therefore ye see the abomination of desolation, which was spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let him that readeth understand),

Luk 21:20  But when ye see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that her desolation is at hand.

Mat 24:16  then let them that are in Judaea flee unto the mountains:
Mat 24:17  let him that is on the housetop not go down to take out the things that are in his house:
Mat 24:18  and let him that is in the field not return back to take his cloke.

Luk 21:21  Then let them that are in Judaea flee unto the mountains; and let them that are in the midst of her depart out; and let not them that are in the country enter therein.
Luk 21:22  For these are days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 

Mat 24:19 But woe unto them that are with child and to them that give suck in those days!

Luk 21:23 Woe unto them that are with child and to them that give suck in those days!

Mat 24:20  And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on a sabbath:
Mat 24:21  for then shall be great tribulation, such as hath not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, nor ever shall be.
Mat 24:22-23a  And except those days had been shortened, no flesh would have been saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Luke 2.23b  For there shall be great distress upon the land, and wrath unto this people.
Luk 21:24  And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led captive into all the nations
: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

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Re: The Millennium And The Second Coming
« Reply #16 on: November 18, 2015, 09:46:37 AM »
A comparison of Matt 24 with Luke 21 makes all this clear:

Mat 24:15  When therefore ye see the abomination of desolation, which was spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let him that readeth understand),

Luk 21:20  But when ye see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that her desolation is at hand.

Mat 24:16  then let them that are in Judaea flee unto the mountains:
Mat 24:17  let him that is on the housetop not go down to take out the things that are in his house:
Mat 24:18  and let him that is in the field not return back to take his cloke.

Luk 21:21  Then let them that are in Judaea flee unto the mountains; and let them that are in the midst of her depart out; and let not them that are in the country enter therein.
Luk 21:22  For these are days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 

Mat 24:19 But woe unto them that are with child and to them that give suck in those days!

Luk 21:23 Woe unto them that are with child and to them that give suck in those days!

Mat 24:20  And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on a sabbath:
Mat 24:21  for then shall be great tribulation, such as hath not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, nor ever shall be.
Mat 24:22-23a  And except those days had been shortened, no flesh would have been saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Luke 2.23b  For there shall be great distress upon the land, and wrath unto this people.
Luk 21:24  And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led captive into all the nations
: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

It does make it clear, you should read it.

Replacement theology is a Heresy, teaching that God does not make unconditional promises. This all came about because there was no Israel for 2000 years and the weak church of the unfaith could not justify the belief in God's promises to His chosen people. This all changed in 1948. But there are still those who seek to push this heresy.

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Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God."

Tell me about the anti-christ sitting in the temple. By the way where is this temple he sets in?

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Re: The Millennium And The Second Coming
« Reply #17 on: November 18, 2015, 10:41:38 AM »
It does make it clear, you should read it.

yes it makes clear that it all commenced in 70 AD with the great tribulation continuing on through the ages. There can be no doubt about it.

I used to argue your position but I realised when I studied the parallel passages that I was being dishonest with myself and the Holy Spirit.

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Replacement theology is a Heresy, teaching that God does not make unconditional promises.

But I do not teach replacement theology. Wake up and listen and try and unfreeze your mindset. The church is the LITERAL continuation of the true believing Israel, the remnant who would be saved. IT IS ISRAEL founded on a congregation of Israelites of large proportions to which former Gentiles have been amalgamated.

In them the promises will literally be fulfilled to Israel.


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This all came about because there was no Israel for 2000 years

Are you totally lacking in an ability to understand?  ISRAEL CONTINUED in the initial church which was wholly composed of Jews. Israel DID NOT CEASE. Don't you believe that Jesus Christ was an Israelite, indeed represented Israel as the true vine? Being made members of His body we become Israelites. Israel has continued to exist for 2000 years as Paul makes clear in Rom 11.12-24.

see Gal .29; 6.16; Rom 11.12-24; Eph 2.11-22; 1 Peter 2,9.

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and the weak church of the unfaith could not justify the belief in God's promises to His chosen people. This all changed in 1948. But there are still those who seek to push this heresy.

Nothing changed in 1948. That is a fake Israel. It is broken off from the olive tree. They are not Israel in God's eyes.

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Tell me about the anti-christ sitting in the temple. By the way where is this temple he sets in?

I presume you mean the man of sin?. You are so careless with Scripture. You read your ideas into it. The temple of god he sat in was in many Roman cities. His name was Caligula.

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Re: The Millennium And The Second Coming
« Reply #18 on: November 18, 2015, 03:45:40 PM »

I presume you mean the man of sin?. You are so careless with Scripture. You read your ideas into it. The temple of god he sat in was in many Roman cities. His name was Caligula.

Now that is rich  :)

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Re: The Millennium And The Second Coming
« Reply #19 on: November 19, 2015, 04:52:31 AM »
Now that is rich  :)

But true :)

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Re: The Millennium And The Second Coming
« Reply #20 on: December 23, 2016, 08:50:26 AM »
The Millennium

Revelation 20: 1 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand. 2 And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years ; 3 and he threw him into the abyss, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he would not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were completed ; after these things he must be released for a short time. 4 Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand ; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. (NAS)


1. Premillennialism -Christ returning to earth before, to usher in a physical millennium

2. Postmillennialism -Christ returning to earth after, at the close of, a physical millennium

3. Amillennialism -Christ returning after, at the close of a spiritual, symbolic millennium -"a" or "no" physical millennium


According to the Scriptures, there is only one correct answer to your three alternatives above, and that is #1.  The premillennial view.

First of all, Jesus returns with His Church from their marriage in heaven, fights the battle of Armageddon against the two beasts, the Antichrist, the false and the ten horns/nations, allied with them, ending the seven year tribulation, recorded from Rev.19:7 through verse 21.

Then Satan is thrown into the Abyss for the same 1,000 years Jesus will reign on earth, on the throne of David, as recorded in Rev.20:1 through 6.  Fulfilling Acts 1:6, 2:29-30 and 15:16. as well as Zech.6:12-13.


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