Author Topic: Your kind of Rapture or not  (Read 4473 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Defacto

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 75
  • WWII Vet
Re: Your kind of Rapture or not
« Reply #30 on: December 22, 2016, 07:33:45 AM »
Hi guys,

I'm responding to this thread as a newbie, and notice it has been more than four months since the last post was made.  I would like to leave you with the following points pertaining to the subject of this thread:

Jesus ministry during His first advent was exclusively to Israel, as He made abundantly clear in Mt.15:24 and 10:5-6.  The Church did not exist then, because the Holy Spirit had not yet arrived, according to Jn.7:39, until at Pentecost, ten days after Jesus ascended into heaven, according to Acts 1:9 and 2:1-3.  Which, of course, includes Jesus Olivet discourse, as recorded in Mt.24.  In verses 30 and 31, He is recorded as returning in His second coming to earth.  Which Jesus amplified through John, in Rev.19:14, WITH His Church, from the marriage in heaven, of the Bride/Church to the Lamb/Jesus, according to Rev.19:7-8.

Paul provides us with the precise time the pre-trib rapture of the Church will take place, that reveals when the Church was called into heaven.  The original translation history in 2 Thess.2:3 and 7-8 is where it has been documented, before the seven year tribulation begins.


Defacto

Fat

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1232
Re: Your kind of Rapture or not
« Reply #31 on: December 22, 2016, 05:23:37 PM »
Hello Defacto,


2 Thess.2:7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way. 8 Then that lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming;

I agree, Paul tells us that we leave with the Holy Spirit. Getting close ⛪️

Defacto

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 75
  • WWII Vet
Re: Your kind of Rapture or not
« Reply #32 on: December 23, 2016, 08:07:39 AM »
Hi Fat,

It may be of interest to know how verse 3 was altered in 1611 A.D.by KJV scribes who tried to alter the meaning of the pre-trib rapture Paul was teaching.  As the theme of the passage in the first verse points out.  2 Thess.2:1-8 is by no means about an apostasy of the Church.


2 Thess.2:1-8: The precise timing of the rapture of the Church:
 "Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to Him, we ask you, brothers, not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by some prophecy, report or letter supposed to have come from us, saying that the Day of the Lord [The 70th and final Week/seven year tribulation of Dan.9:27] has already come." 2 Thes.2:1-2. Which is a direct reference to 1 Thes.4:17 and the theme of Paul's entire pre-trib rapture message in 2 Thes.2:1-8. When we will be CAUGHT UP TOGETHER WITH THEM IN THE CLOUDS TO MEET THE LORD IN THE AIR. [Parenthetics mine].

The "Day of the Lord" Paul refers to in vs 2, alludes to Dan.9:27, when God will intervene into the affairs of man for the last time, culminating in the second coming of Jesus to the earth. In that passage of Scripture, the Day of the Lord is triggered by the "he" who "confirms a covenant [An agreement] for one Week" [The Day of the Lord/ 70th and final Week/seven year tribulation], who is the antichrist. The second, and same "he," who stops Israel from the offerings and sacrificing in the temple of God, and the third, and same "he," who breaks his covenant in the middle of the Week [After 3.5 of the 7 year total], and sets up the abomination of desolation Jesus referred to in Mt.24:15, in His Olivet Discourse, about the sign of His second coming, and of the end of the age.

In verse 3: "Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that Day [The Day of the Lord, the 70th and final Week, the seven year tribulation] will not come, until the "apostasia" [Greek term in which the original translation was "to depart," or "departure," meaning, the rapture of the Church] occurs and the man of lawlessness [The antichrist, and all three of the "he's" in Dan.9:27] is revealed [Who triggers the Day of the Lord/ the 70th and final Week/ the seven year tribulation], the man doomed to destruction." Which reveals the "apostasia" [Departure] will take place before the antichrist is revealed, who triggers the 70th Week/seven year tribulation. Confirmed in verses 7 and 8 below.

Translation History of apostasia and discessio: By Thomas Ice, PhD.
 The first seven English translations of apostasia all rendered the noun as either " departure" or " departing." They are as follows: Wycliffe Bible (1384); Tyndale Bible (1526); Coverdale Bible (1535); Cranmer Bible (1539); Breeches Bible (1576); Beza Bible (1583); Geneva Bible (1608) . This supports the notion that the word truly means " departure." In fact, Jerome' s Latin translation known as the Vulgate from around the time of 325 A.D. renders apostasia with the " word discessio, meaning ' departure.' Why was the King James Version the first to depart from the established translation of "departure" in 1611 A.D.? [It is more than likely due to overzealous RCC scribes who altered the original wording of vs 3. to accommodate their teachings of Amillenialism, which rejects both the pre-trib rapture of the Church as well as Jesus Millennial reign her on earth].

 Theodore Beza, the Swiss reformer was the first to transliterate apostasia and create a new word, rather than translate it as others had done. The translators of the King James Version were the first to introduce the new rendering of apostasia as " falling away." Most English translators have followed the KJV and Beza in departing from translating apostasia as " departure." No reason was ever given.

 "He [The antichrist] will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God." Vs 4. [The abomination of desolation, confirming Dan.9:27 and Mt.24:15]. See also 2 Thes.2:4.

The rapture of the Church and verse 3 confirmed:
In verse 7: "For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so until he [The saints - Church] is taken out of the way."

 The "he" who will be taken out of the way, is the one body of Christ, who bear the Holy Spirit within each of us [Eph.1:13-14], the Church of Jesus Christ. The very same as those who will participate in the "apostasia," the "departure," [the rapture] of the Church, in verse 3. Immediately following that:

In verse 8: "And then the lawless one [The antichrist] will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of His mouth and destroy by the splendor of His coming." Vs 8. [See Rev.19:17-21]


Defacto.