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Losing Salvation or Never Saved at All? — J.C. Ryle
A common reason why many do not hold perseverance is an incorrect view of the nature of SAVING FAITH. They regard faith as nothing better than a feeling or impression. As soon as they see a man somewhat impressed with the preaching of the Gospel and manifesting some pleasure in hearing about Christ—they set him down at once as a believer! By and by the man’s impressions wear away, and his interest about Christ and salvation ceases altogether. Where is the faith he seemed to have? It is gone. How can his friends, who have pronounced him a believer, account for it? They can only account for it by saying, that “a man may fall away from faith,” and that “there is no such thing as perseverance.” And in short, this becomes an established principle in their religion.
Now this is a mischievous error, and I am afraid sadly common in many quarters. It manifestly may be traced to ignorance of the true nature of religious affections. People forget that there may be many religious emotions in the human mind—with which saving grace has nothing to do. The stony ground hearers received the word with joy—but had no root in them. The history of all revivals proves that there may often be a great quantity of seemingly religious impression, without any true work of the Spirit. Saving faith is something far deeper and mightier than a little sudden feeling. It is an act not of the feelings only—but of the whole conscience, will, understanding, and inward man. It is the result of clear knowledge. It springs from a conscience not grazed merely—but thoroughly stirred. It shows itself in a deliberate, willing, humble dependence on Christ. Such faith is the gift of God—and is never overthrown! Make faith a mere matter of feeling—and it is of course impossible to maintain perseverance for such a one. . .
Not a few are ready to pronounce any change for the better in a man’s character, to be a conversion. They forget that there may be many blossoms on a tree in spring, and yet no fruit in autumn; and that a new coat of paint does not make an old door new. Some, if they see anyone weeping under the influence of a sermon, will set it down at once as a case of conversion. Others, if a neighbor suddenly gives up drinking or swearing, and become a great professor—at once rush to the conclusion that he is converted.
The natural consequence in numerous instances is disappointment. Their supposed case of conversion often turns out nothing more than a case of outward reform, in which the heart was never changed. Their converted neighbor sometimes returns to old habits—as the pig that was washed, to her wallowing in the mire. But then unhappily the pride of the natural heart, which never likes to allow itself mistaken, induces people to form a wrong conclusion about the case. Instead of telling us that the man never was converted at all, they say that “he was converted—but afterwards lost his grace and fell away.”
The true remedy for this is a right understanding of conversion. It is no such cheap and easy and common thing as many seem to fancy. It is a mighty work on the heart, which none but He who made the world can effect, and a work which will abide and stand the fire. But once take a low and superficial view of conversion, and you will find it impossible to maintain final perseverance.
– J.C. Ryle (1816-1900)
taken from: Never Perish.
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Grace is grace, it's a gift not earned.
If you give a hungry man food and he eats it, he is no longer hungry. If he doesn't eat it then he is still hunger or never was hungry.
To Repent means to change your life to conform to God's will. You either repent or you don't .
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Grace is grace, it's a gift not earned.
If you give a hungry man food and he eats it, he is no longer hungry. If he doesn't eat it then he is still hunger or never was hungry.
To Repent means to change your life to conform to God's will. You either repent or you don't .
One must continue down that path until the end-Matt 10:22-- Repentence is the stopping of the doing of sin. not doing the sin--asking forgiveness and repeating that process--that is just mocking Jesus' sacrifice on their behalf.
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One must continue down that path until the end-Matt 10:22-- Repentence is the stopping of the doing of sin. not doing the sin--asking forgiveness and repeating that process--that is just mocking Jesus' sacrifice on their behalf.
So the question to JW's is do you run the race to win salvation or do you run the race because of your love for Christ? Does someone who quits the race and does not finish Love Christ to begin with?
Rom 9:16 So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy.
So kjw47 do you run your race for love or reward?
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So the question to JW's is do you run the race to win salvation or do you run the race because of your love for Christ? Does someone who quits the race and does not finish Love Christ to begin with?
Rom 9:16 So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy.
So kjw47 do you run your race for love or reward?
All humans have love--all look forward to entering Gods kingdom( that believe in it)
God does show mercy to the repentant--not the workers of iniquity( Matt 7:22-23)Nor to the ones who partake off the table of demons( 1Cor 10:21) many are mislead to partake off both tables, but God assured there one--CANNOT.
The many being mislead into serving non existent Gods will not receive mercy.
Yes I would say out of a great love for Jesus these( Matt 7:22-23) did powerful works, prophesyed, and exorcisms-- all in Jesus name--were told they were Christian, most likely told they were saved--yet they weren't. They were mislead by these-2thess 2:3--2Cor 11:12-15-- Mark 3:24-26-- a house divided will not stand.
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All humans have love--all look forward to entering Gods kingdom( that believe in it)
God does show mercy to the repentant--not the workers of iniquity( Matt 7:22-23)Nor to the ones who partake off the table of demons( 1Cor 10:21) many are mislead to partake off both tables, but God assured there one--CANNOT.
The many being mislead into serving non existent Gods will not receive mercy.
Yes I would say out of a great love for Jesus these( Matt 7:22-23) did powerful works, prophesyed, and exorcisms-- all in Jesus name--were told they were Christian, most likely told they were saved--yet they weren't. They were mislead by these-2thess 2:3--2Cor 11:12-15-- Mark 3:24-26-- a house divided will not stand.
Let me get this right so I can't be accused of misinterpreting your stand:
Christ doesn't even know those that have "great love for Jesus" unless they never sin again. And you are saying that you have never sinned sense you have professed Jesus, less you have not finished the race you so proudly claim to have started. So for you and your fellow JW's your own fight against Satan is triumphed over sin.
Where am I wrong?
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Let me get this right so I can't be accused of misinterpreting your stand:
Christ doesn't even know those that have "great love for Jesus" unless they never sin again. And you are saying that you have never sinned sense you have professed Jesus, less you have not finished the race you so proudly claim to have started. So for you and your fellow JW's your own fight against Satan is triumphed over sin.
Where am I wrong?
They recrusafy Christ and start their race again if they find the have sinned, say if they have a moment of pride💔
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Let me get this right so I can't be accused of misinterpreting your stand:
Christ doesn't even know those that have "great love for Jesus" unless they never sin again. And you are saying that you have never sinned sense you have professed Jesus, less you have not finished the race you so proudly claim to have started. So for you and your fellow JW's your own fight against Satan is triumphed over sin.
Where am I wrong?
A worker of iniquity= a practicer of sin--willfull sin. At Hebrews 10:26--Paul taught---Jesus' sacrifice does not count for those who practice sin.
There are lists of unacceptable sin--1Cor 6:9-11--Galations 5:19-21--the majority do these.
Now if one is driving down the road and gets angry and a swear word slips out-- that wont keep one out of Gods kingdom, but both of those lists will.
Jesus himself said Matt 7:22-23( this is judgement scenario)-- he doesn't know a practicer of sin.
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A worker of iniquity= a practicer of sin--willfull sin. At Hebrews 10:26--Paul taught---Jesus' sacrifice does not count for those who practice sin.
There are lists of unacceptable sin--1Cor 6:9-11--Galations 5:19-21--the majority do these.
Now if one is driving down the road and gets angry and a swear word slips out-- that wont keep one out of Gods kingdom, but both of those lists will.
Jesus himself said Matt 7:22-23( this is judgement scenario)-- he doesn't know a practicer of sin.
As long as we understand that to a JW's - running the race includes sinning also to the end. And repentance is a half turnig to Christ.
So run your race to the end👹
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A worker of iniquity= a practicer of sin--willfull sin. At Hebrews 10:26--Paul taught---Jesus' sacrifice does not count for those who practice sin.
There are lists of unacceptable sin--1Cor 6:9-11--Galations 5:19-21--the majority do these.
Now if one is driving down the road and gets angry and a swear word slips out-- that wont keep one out of Gods kingdom, but both of those lists will.
Jesus himself said Matt 7:22-23( this is judgement scenario)-- he doesn't know a practicer of sin.
James 2:10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.
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James 2:10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.
Moss
The truth is that the JW's are all about works and not grace. Their race is about the work they do on behalf of the watchtower. There is nothing wrong about giving out Tracks as long as they lead to the truth, and you aren't trying to run a tab with our Lord for you salvation.
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Moss
The truth is that the JW's are all about works and not grace. Their race is about the work they do on behalf of the watchtower. There is nothing wrong about giving out Tracks as long as they lead to the truth, and you aren't trying to run a tab with our Lord for you salvation.
not true at all. Works build a strong living faith--without works ones faith is dead( worthless)--Jesus made his followers fishers of men, not the watchtower( the watchtower is a magazine not a living being)-- you seem confused on reality. you must listen to those who know 0 about what is fact.
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not true at all. Works build a strong living faith--without works ones faith is dead( worthless)--Jesus made his followers fishers of men, not the watchtower( the watchtower is a magazine not a living being)-- you seem confused on reality. you must listen to those who know 0 about what is fact.
Not true, you know zero about anything.
Even the tracks you hand out are printed by the watchtower.
Do you deny that the watchtower instruct you on how to interpret the Scriptures? Do you deny that the watchtower is owned by Jehovah's witnesses?
Your post confirms that works to you, come before faith.
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Not true, you know zero about anything.
Even the tracks you hand out are printed by the watchtower.
Do you deny that the watchtower instruct you on how to interpret the Scriptures? Do you deny that the watchtower is owned by Jehovah's witnesses?
Your post confirms that works to you, come before faith.
The watchtower is a magazine-- its writers are human beings--Jesus' anointed teachers-- Luke 10:16---he who listens to Jesus' anointed teachers are listening to Jesus. But if one rejects Jesus' anointed teachers they are rejecting not only Jesus but God as well.
No I said works build a strong living faith--without the works, James taught ones faith is dead. So obviously one better be doing works. Gods word teaches one will be judged by all of their works.
By the use of the watchtower magazine--scriptures in every paragraph backing truths taught in the magazine, every JW on earth receives the same spiritual feeding weekly --then this is accomplished-1Cor 1:10-- united in all thought. a truly remarkable feat in a world with thousands of religions that cannot accomplish that. trinity religions are a divided house-Mark 3:24-26--they will not stand.
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The watchtower is a magazine-- its writers are human beings--Jesus' anointed teachers-- Luke 10:16---he who listens to Jesus' anointed teachers are listening to Jesus. But if one rejects Jesus' anointed teachers they are rejecting not only Jesus but God as well.
No I said works build a strong living faith--without the works, James taught ones faith is dead. So obviously one better be doing works. Gods word teaches one will be judged by all of their works.
By the use of the watchtower magazine--scriptures in every paragraph backing truths taught in the magazine, every JW on earth receives the same spiritual feeding weekly --then this is accomplished-1Cor 1:10-- united in all thought. a truly remarkable feat in a world with thousands of religions that cannot accomplish that. trinity religions are a divided house-Mark 3:24-26--they will not stand.
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Only their church members will be saved (The Watchtower, Feb. 15, 1979, p. 30)
Only the 144,000 Jehovah's Witnesses are born again (Reasoning from the Scriptures, 1985, p. 76.; The Watchtower Nov. 15, 1954, p. 681).
"Thus the Bible is an organizational book and belongs to the Christian congregation as an organization, not to individuals, regardless of how sincerely they may believe that they can interpret the Bible" (The Watchtower, Oct. 1, 1967. p. 587).
There is no Trinity (Let God be True, pp. 100-101; Make Sure of All Things, p. 386); The Holy Spirit is God's impersonal active force (The Watchtower, June 1, 1952, p. 24); Their church is the self-proclaimed prophet of God (The Watchtower, April 1, 1972, p. 197); They claim to be the only channel of God's truth (The Watchtower, Feb. 15, 1981, p. 19).
Jehovah's first creation was his 'only-begotten Son'. . . was used by Jehovah in creating all other things (Aid to Bible Understanding, pp. 390-391); Jesus was Michael the archangel who became a man (The Watchtower, May 15, 1963, p. 307; The New World, 284); Jesus was only a perfect man, not God in flesh (Reasoning from the Scriptures, 1985, p. 306); Jesus did not rise from the dead in his physical body (Awake! July 22, 1973, p. 4).
"It is evident from this [Rom. 10:9-10] that besides faith and baptism, public declaration to the effect that Jesus Christ is Lord and that God raised him up from the dead is a requirement for salvation" (The Watchtower, May 1, 1979, p. 15, Baptism, A Christian Requirement).
The Watchtower Organization is the Prophet of God.
"This 'prophet' was not one man, but was a body of men and women. It was the small group of footstep followers of Jesus Christ known at that time as International Bible Students. Today they are known as Jehovah's Christian witnesses . . . Of course, it is easy to say that this group acts as a 'prophet' of God. It is another thing to prove it" (The Watchtower, April 1, 1972, p. 197).
"Only this organization functions for Jehovah's purpose and to his praise. To it alone God's Sacred Word, the Bible, is not a sealed book" (The Watchtower, July 1, 1973, p. 402).
"All who want to understand the Bible should appreciate that the "greatly diversified wisdom of God" can become known only through Jehovah's channel of communication, the faithful and discreet slave" (The Watchtower, Oct. 1, 1994, p. 8).
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Only their church members will be saved (The Watchtower, Feb. 15, 1979, p. 30)
Only the 144,000 Jehovah's Witnesses are born again (Reasoning from the Scriptures, 1985, p. 76.; The Watchtower Nov. 15, 1954, p. 681).
"Thus the Bible is an organizational book and belongs to the Christian congregation as an organization, not to individuals, regardless of how sincerely they may believe that they can interpret the Bible" (The Watchtower, Oct. 1, 1967. p. 587).
There is no Trinity (Let God be True, pp. 100-101; Make Sure of All Things, p. 386); The Holy Spirit is God's impersonal active force (The Watchtower, June 1, 1952, p. 24); Their church is the self-proclaimed prophet of God (The Watchtower, April 1, 1972, p. 197); They claim to be the only channel of God's truth (The Watchtower, Feb. 15, 1981, p. 19).
Jehovah's first creation was his 'only-begotten Son'. . . was used by Jehovah in creating all other things (Aid to Bible Understanding, pp. 390-391); Jesus was Michael the archangel who became a man (The Watchtower, May 15, 1963, p. 307; The New World, 284); Jesus was only a perfect man, not God in flesh (Reasoning from the Scriptures, 1985, p. 306); Jesus did not rise from the dead in his physical body (Awake! July 22, 1973, p. 4).
"It is evident from this [Rom. 10:9-10] that besides faith and baptism, public declaration to the effect that Jesus Christ is Lord and that God raised him up from the dead is a requirement for salvation" (The Watchtower, May 1, 1979, p. 15, Baptism, A Christian Requirement).
The Watchtower Organization is the Prophet of God.
"This 'prophet' was not one man, but was a body of men and women. It was the small group of footstep followers of Jesus Christ known at that time as International Bible Students. Today they are known as Jehovah's Christian witnesses . . . Of course, it is easy to say that this group acts as a 'prophet' of God. It is another thing to prove it" (The Watchtower, April 1, 1972, p. 197).
"Only this organization functions for Jehovah's purpose and to his praise. To it alone God's Sacred Word, the Bible, is not a sealed book" (The Watchtower, July 1, 1973, p. 402).
"All who want to understand the Bible should appreciate that the "greatly diversified wisdom of God" can become known only through Jehovah's channel of communication, the faithful and discreet slave" (The Watchtower, Oct. 1, 1994, p. 8).
Did you have a question?
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Did you have a question?
No, it's only a magazine :o
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No, it's only a magazine :o
Many of the nt bible books were handwritten letters to congregations, sharing Gods truths.
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Many of the nt bible books were handwritten letters to congregations, sharing Gods truths.
Now are you claiming that the watchTower is God inspired writings? That would of course explain it's hold over you.
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Now are you claiming that the watchTower is God inspired writings? That would of course explain it's hold over you.
The watchtower has shared many fine truths over the years-- The truth holds sway over me.
And I know its writers ( GB) are the faithful and discreet slave that Jesus appointed.
Have you read what one is doing when they reject Jesus anointed teachers? Luke 10:16 teaches if one rejects those teachers they are as well rejecting Jesus and God. Not a wise place to take ones stand.
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The watchtower has shared many fine truths over the years-- The truth holds sway over me.
And I know its writers ( GB) are the faithful and discreet slave that Jesus appointed.
Have you read what one is doing when they reject Jesus anointed teachers? Luke 10:16 teaches if one rejects those teachers they are as well rejecting Jesus and God. Not a wise place to take ones stand.
First of all, no one can disput that writers of your Watchtower has given False prophecy in the passed and according to Scripture the Watchtower writers are False prophet, (anointed teachers not): Deu 18:22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
You have been given instructions on how to deal with the Watchtower and warned on the consequences if you fail to do so:
2 Corinthians 11 3 But I am afraid that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, your minds will be led astray from the simplicity and purity of devotion to Christ. 4 For if one comes and preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted, you bear this beautifully.
Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity [lawlessness].
2 Tim 4:2 [NIV] Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage--with great patience and careful instruction.
2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
2 Tim 4:4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Mark 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall show signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
In His Word
BB
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First of all, no one can disput that writers of your Watchtower has given False prophecy in the passed and according to Scripture the Watchtower writers are False prophet, (anointed teachers not):
You have been given instructions on how to deal with the Watchtower and warned on the consequences if you fail to do so:
In His Word
BB
Then there is reality--God made the prophecy of Harmageddon--it is a 100% true prophecy--the wt writers tried to put a date on it--nothing more--nothing less.
All the men who tried to date it--repented--then died and paid the wages of their sin.
A real false false prophecy---heaven or hell as the end.
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Then there is reality--God made the prophecy of Harmageddon--it is a 100% true prophecy--the wt writers tried to put a date on it--nothing more--nothing less.
All the men who tried to date it--repented--then died and paid the wages of their sin.
A real false false prophecy---heaven or hell as the end.
Galatians 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!
Genesis 12:1 Now the LORD said to Abram, "Go forth from your country, And from your relatives And from your father's house, To the land which I will show you; 2 And I will make you a great nation, And I will bless you, And make your name great; And so you shall be a blessing; 3 And I will bless those who bless you, And the one who curses you I will curse. And in you all the families of the earth will be blessed."
Genesis 17:4 "As for Me, behold, My covenant is with you, And you will be the father of a multitude of nations. 5 "No longer shall your name be called Abram, But your name shall be Abraham; For I will make you the father of a multitude of nations. 6 "I will make you exceedingly fruitful, and I will make nations of you, and kings will come forth from you. 7 "I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you throughout their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and to your descendants after you. 8 "I will give to you and to your descendants after you, the land of your sojournings, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God." 9 God said further to Abraham, "Now as for you, you shall keep My covenant, you and your descendants after you throughout their generations. 10 "This is My covenant, which you shall keep, between Me and you and your descendants after you: every male among you shall be circumcised. 11 "And you shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskin, and it shall be the sign of the covenant between Me and you. 12 "And every male among you who is eight days old shall be circumcised throughout your generations, a servant who is born in the house or who is bought with money from any foreigner, who is not of your descendants. 13 "A servant who is born in your house or who is bought with your money shall surely be circumcised; thus shall My covenant be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. 14 "But an uncircumcised male who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin, that person shall be cut off from his people; he has broken My covenant."
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Galatians 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!
Genesis 12:1 Now the LORD said to Abram, "Go forth from your country, And from your relatives And from your father's house, To the land which I will show you; 2 And I will make you a great nation, And I will bless you, And make your name great; And so you shall be a blessing; 3 And I will bless those who bless you, And the one who curses you I will curse. And in you all the families of the earth will be blessed."
Genesis 17:4 "As for Me, behold, My covenant is with you, And you will be the father of a multitude of nations. 5 "No longer shall your name be called Abram, But your name shall be Abraham; For I will make you the father of a multitude of nations. 6 "I will make you exceedingly fruitful, and I will make nations of you, and kings will come forth from you. 7 "I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you throughout their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and to your descendants after you. 8 "I will give to you and to your descendants after you, the land of your sojournings, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God." 9 God said further to Abraham, "Now as for you, you shall keep My covenant, you and your descendants after you throughout their generations. 10 "This is My covenant, which you shall keep, between Me and you and your descendants after you: every male among you shall be circumcised. 11 "And you shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskin, and it shall be the sign of the covenant between Me and you. 12 "And every male among you who is eight days old shall be circumcised throughout your generations, a servant who is born in the house or who is bought with money from any foreigner, who is not of your descendants. 13 "A servant who is born in your house or who is bought with your money shall surely be circumcised; thus shall My covenant be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. 14 "But an uncircumcised male who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin, that person shall be cut off from his people; he has broken My covenant."
Did you mean this Gospel---John 20:17, Rev 3:12--- 2Cor 1:3, 1Cor 8:6, 1Cor 15:24-282Cor 11:31,Coll 1:3, Eph 1: 13,17---1Peter 1:3---Rev 1:6-- Jesus and 3 real teachers all 100% in agreement--Jesus has a God-his Father. The true gospel. That is why this is bottom line reality--John 4:22-24--- the wise ones who listen to Jesus and his real teachers--went through Jesus and got to the Father=Jehovah.
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Did you mean this Gospel---John 20:17, Rev 3:12--- 2Cor 1:3, 1Cor 8:6, 1Cor 15:24-282Cor 11:31,Coll 1:3, Eph 1: 13,17---1Peter 1:3---Rev 1:6-- Jesus and 3 real teachers all 100% in agreement--Jesus has a God-his Father. The true gospel. That is why this is bottom line reality--John 4:22-24--- the wise ones who listen to Jesus and his real teachers--went through Jesus and got to the Father=Jehovah.
Salvation by works and Replacement theology = heresy
I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying, (Romans 11:1-2 KJV)
And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. (Romans 11:6 KJV)
And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. (Romans 11:17-18 KJV)
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Salvation by works and Replacement theology = heresy
I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying, (Romans 11:1-2 KJV)
And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. (Romans 11:6 KJV)
And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. (Romans 11:17-18 KJV)
Not only a warning for men but for nations:
Joel 3
1. "For behold, in those days and at that time, When I restore the fortunes of Judah and Jerusalem,
2. I will gather all the nations And bring them down to the valley of Jehoshaphat. Then I will enter into judgment with them there On behalf of My people and My inheritance, Israel, Whom they have scattered among the nations; And they have divided up My land.
3. "They have also cast lots for My people, Traded a boy for a harlot And sold a girl for wine that they may drink.
4. "Moreover, what are you to Me, O Tyre, Sidon and all the regions of Philistia? Are you rendering Me a recompense? But if you do recompense Me, swiftly and speedily I will return your recompense on your head.
5. "Since you have taken My silver and My gold, brought My precious treasures to your temples,
6. and sold the sons of Judah and Jerusalem to the Greeks in order to remove them far from their territory,
7. behold, I am going to arouse them from the place where you have sold them, and return your recompense on your head.
8. "Also I will sell your sons and your daughters into the hand of the sons of Judah, and they will sell them to the Sabeans, to a distant nation," for the LORD has spoken.
9. Proclaim this among the nations: Prepare a war; rouse the mighty men! Let all the soldiers draw near, let them come up!
10. Beat your plowshares into swords And your pruning hooks into spears; Let the weak say, "I am a mighty man."
11. Hasten and come, all you surrounding nations, And gather yourselves there. Bring down, O LORD, Your mighty ones.
12. Let the nations be aroused And come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat, For there I will sit to judge All the surrounding nations.
13. Put in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe. Come, tread, for the wine press is full; The vats overflow, for their wickedness is great.
14. Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision! For the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision.
15. The sun and moon grow dark And the stars lose their brightness.
16. The LORD roars from Zion And utters His voice from Jerusalem, And the heavens and the earth tremble. But the LORD is a refuge for His people And a stronghold to the sons of Israel.
17. Then you will know that I am the LORD your God, Dwelling in Zion, My holy mountain. So Jerusalem will be holy, And strangers will pass through it no more.
18. And in that day The mountains will drip with sweet wine, And the hills will flow with milk, And all the brooks of Judah will flow with water; And a spring will go out from the house of the LORD To water the valley of Shittim.
19. Egypt will become a waste, And Edom will become a desolate wilderness, Because of the violence done to the sons of Judah, In whose land they have shed innocent blood.
20. But Judah will be inhabited forever And Jerusalem for all generations.
21. And I will avenge their blood which I have not avenged, For the LORD dwells in Zion.
Those gentiles that claim to be the 144,000 of Rev 7, will have some explaining to do.
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Not only a warning for men but for nations:
Those gentiles that claim to be the 144,000 of Rev 7, will have some explaining to do.
One doesn't receive salvation for works--one receives salvation for a strong living faith built by works--As James taught a faith without the works is dead--- do you understand this?-James is telling you ones faith is worthless unless built up by works.
Israel has been cut off of being Gods chosen-Matt 23:37-38--and given to others-Matt 21:43---John referred to them as Israel but it actually is spiritual Israel--carrying the biblical meaning--Gods chosen. Not 1 rejector of Jesus will enter Gods kingdom let alone be assigned as kings and priests by his side. teachers of darkness have no understanding of reality. Israel has rejected the Messiah for over 1950 years. Revelation has much symbolism in it.
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Salvation by works and Replacement theology = heresy
I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying, (Romans 11:1-2 KJV)
And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. (Romans 11:6 KJV)
And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. (Romans 11:17-18 KJV)
serving a non existent trinity is the real heresy, it contradicts the teachings of the 4 true witnesses of God I showed you in the prior post.--James taught--Faith without works is dead---meaning--one has to do the works to build a strong living faith, otherwise without the works ones faith is worthless.
it is grace no matter what. but only those with a strong living faith who are serving the true God( John 4:22-24) will get grace.
there is 0 doubt--Israel is cut off-Matt 23:37-38--spiritual Israel is now Gods chosen, not literal Israel--- you can count on 0 fingers how many will enter Gods kingdom that reject his messiah.
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serving a non existent trinity is the real heresy, it contradicts the teachings of the 4 true witnesses of God I showed you in the prior post.--James taught--Faith without works is dead---meaning--one has to do the works to build a strong living faith, otherwise without the works ones faith is worthless.
it is grace no matter what. but only those with a strong living faith who are serving the true God( John 4:22-24) will get grace.
there is 0 doubt--Israel is cut off-Matt 23:37-38--spiritual Israel is now Gods chosen, not literal Israel--- you can count on 0 fingers how many will enter Gods kingdom that reject his messiah.
Yes and works without faith is also dead.
Your attempt to take scripture out of context is sad but typical. You stop and left out verse 39:
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. (Matthew 23:37-39 KJV)
As in the past God's people come back to Him.
God tells us to for give those who trespass against us as many times as the ask us to, is God less than man?
You're teaching against the bible you claim to love.
BB
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serving a non existent trinity is the real heresy, it contradicts the teachings of the 4 true witnesses of God I showed you in the prior post.--James taught--Faith without works is dead---meaning--one has to do the works to build a strong living faith, otherwise without the works ones faith is worthless.
it is grace no matter what. but only those with a strong living faith who are serving the true God( John 4:22-24) will get grace.
there is 0 doubt--Israel is cut off-Matt 23:37-38--spiritual Israel is now Gods chosen, not literal Israel--- you can count on 0 fingers how many will enter Gods kingdom that reject his messiah.
You really have no clue what James was saying do you? Is James in conflict with Paul? How much does grace cost?
Where does the bible say faith come from?
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One doesn't receive salvation for works--one receives salvation for a strong living faith built by works--As James taught a faith without the works is dead--- do you understand this?-James is telling you ones faith is worthless unless built up by works.
Israel has been cut off of being Gods chosen-Matt 23:37-38--and given to others-Matt 21:43---John referred to them as Israel but it actually is spiritual Israel--carrying the biblical meaning--Gods chosen. Not 1 rejector of Jesus will enter Gods kingdom let alone be assigned as kings and priests by his side. teachers of darkness have no understanding of reality. Israel has rejected the Messiah for over 1950 years. Revelation has much symbolism in it.
Hebrews 12:2 fixing our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Faith comes from the hearing of the gospel of Christ, and what you JW's miss is that works are an act of love not an act of duty. There are other cults that teach as you, LDS, and the COR for instance. The all claim to be the remnant church.
Romans 10:8 But what does it say? "THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, in your mouth and in your heart "-that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, 9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, "WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED." 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; 13 for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED." 14 How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher? 15 How will they preach unless * they are sent? Just as it is written, "HOW BEAUTIFUL ARE THE FEET OF THOSE WHO BRING GOOD NEWS OF GOOD THINGS!" 16 However, they did not all heed the good news; for Isaiah says, "LORD, WHO HAS BELIEVED OUR REPORT?" 17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.
Speaking of the matter of replacing of Israel by JW's Luke 21:24 and they will fall by the edge of the sword, and will be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled under foot by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
The time of the gentiles will come to an end.
As to your Jesus who you claim is Michael the Archangel, if there is no Trinity you have a major problem:
18 A ruler questioned Him, saying, "Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?" 19 And Jesus said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone.
JB
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Hebrews 12:2 fixing our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Faith comes from the hearing of the gospel of Christ, and what you JW's miss is that works are an act of love not an act of duty. There are other cults that teach as you, LDS, and the COR for instance. The all claim to be the remnant church.
Speaking of the matter of replacing of Israel by JW's The time of the gentiles will come to an end.
As to your Jesus who you claim is Michael the Archangel, if there is no Trinity you have a major problem:
JB
It is a guaranteed fact--there is no trinity in existence--those who serve it are being mislead.
The gospel of Christ isn't taught in any building called a church--I attended different ones years ago, The only teachers I ever found who teach Jesus' truths are the JW teachers.
These believe in Jesus, do powerful works, prophesy--yet Jesus says he never even knew them( judgement scenario)-Matt 7:22,23-- believing is a partial truth, other realities go along with believing--like verse 21 shows--only those living to do the Fathers will get to enter his kingdom.
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Yes and works without faith is also dead.
Your attempt to take scripture out of context is sad but typical. You stop and left out verse 39:
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. (Matthew 23:37-39 KJV)
As in the past God's people come back to Him.
God tells us to for give those who trespass against us as many times as the ask us to, is God less than man?
You're teaching against the bible you claim to love.
BB
Yes out of Gods great love he left the door open to Israel--they must accept Jesus as the Messiah--they have refused for over 1950 years. And you think all of a sudden they will change their minds? or hearts that is?
Fact--some have left the Jewish faith and have accepted Jesus as the messiah--Paul-Peter and many back then did--but the reality--they left the Jewish faith to follow Jesus.
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It is a guaranteed fact--there is no trinity in existence--those who serve it are being mislead.
The gospel of Christ isn't taught in any building called a church--I attended different ones years ago, The only teachers I ever found who teach Jesus' truths are the JW teachers.
These believe in Jesus, do powerful works, prophesy--yet Jesus says he never even knew them( judgement scenario)-Matt 7:22,23-- believing is a partial truth, other realities go along with believing--like verse 21 shows--only those living to do the Fathers will get to enter his kingdom.
Agree there is no building called the church and there is no lord called the watchtower of kingdom hall.
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Yes out of Gods great love he left the door open to Israel--they must accept Jesus as the Messiah--they have refused for over 1950 years. And you think all of a sudden they will change their minds? or hearts that is?
Fact--some have left the Jewish faith and have accepted Jesus as the messiah--Paul-Peter and many back then did--but the reality--they left the Jewish faith to follow Jesus.
The bible says it will happen (do you believe the bible) JB already pointed out to you, Luke 21:24. Why do you think the 144,000 are all Jews? you think they are will be preaching to the gentiles?