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THE DEITY OF JESUS - John 1:1-18
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THE DEITY OF JESUS - John 1:1-18


The Gospel of John speaks more clearly than any other of the deity of Christ. There can be no doubt: the Bible does teach that Jesus of Nazareth was fully God as well as truly man.
This teaching does not, of course, rest only on what we find in John’s Gospel. There are many other passages that affirm Jesus’ deity. Among the most powerful are:
Colossians 1:15-20. Jesus who expresses the invisible God was Himself the Creator of all things, and has priority over all.
Hebrews 1:1-13. Jesus is the “exact representation” of God’s being, and sustains all things by His own powerful word. He is, as God, above all created beings, including the angels who are so superior to mortal man.
Philippians 2:5-11. Jesus, though “in very nature God” voluntarily surrendered the prerogatives of Deity to become a true human being. Now that He has been resurrected He has been exalted again, and in the future every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.
It is this Jesus, God from before the beginning, whom John wants to show us in his Gospel. And from this Gospel John wants to teach us how to respond, from the heart, to Him as Saviour and Lord.
GRACE.
“Grace” reveals both God and man. It shows human beings as helpless, trapped in sin. And it shows God willing and able to meet our deepest needs.

Eternity Unveiled: John 1:1-5
With the first words of the Gospel of John we see that John’s task is to unveil. The other Gospels begin with the birth of Jesus or with an account of His human ancestry. Matthew and Luke emphasized that a man, a human being, was actually born in the normal way to a young woman named Mary in the ancient land of Judea at the time Herod the Great was living out his last days. John, on the other hand, tells us immediately the Child born then was the eternal God! His origin was not at His physical conception, but, as Micah said, his “origins are from of old, from ancient times” (Micah 5:2 ). And Isaiah called Him “Mighty God, Everlasting Father” (Isa. 9:6 ).
John’s way of taking us back to eternity was to identify Jesus as “the Word” who was “in the beginning.” Moreover, this Word “was with God, and the Word was God.” Finally John said plainly that “the Word became flesh and lived for a while among us” (John 1:14 ).
The Word. The Bible gives many titles or names to Jesus. When He is called “the Word,” we are reminded of His role in the Godhead from the very beginning. Human speech has the capacity to unveil thoughts, feelings, and emotions; to reveal the person behind the words. Jesus is God expressing Himself through Jesus.
When Philip asked Jesus to show the disciples the Father, Christ answered in gentle rebuke. “Anyone who has seen Me has seen the Father” (14:9). Another time Jesus explained to His disciples, “No one knows who the Father is except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal Him” (Luke 10:22 ).
This title, “the Word,” teaches that Jesus is now, and always has been, the One through whom God expresses Himself. But how did God express Himself in history past, even before the Incarnation? Obviously God was known before Jesus’ birth.
In Creation (John 1:3). Paul wrote that “what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the Creation of the world God’s invisible qualities … have been clearly seen” (Rom. 1:19-20 ). The material universe itself speaks of a Maker, loudly shouting His handiwork:
Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they display knowledge. There is no speech or language where their voice is not heard. Their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world.
Psalm 19:2-4
This Word of Creation is the word of Jesus before the Incarnation. “Through Him all things were made,” John said. “Without Him nothing was made that has been made.” From the very beginning Jesus has expressed God to humankind.
In life (John 1:4). But it was not just in the creation of inanimate matter that Jesus communicated God. On the spinning sphere hung in the emptiness of space, the Creator placed living creatures. These living creatures are different from dead matter; they moved, ate, responded to stimuli, and reproduced themselves. The creation of life was a voice testifying to God.
Only One who was a living Being Himself could be the source of other life. Dead matter does not generate life now, nor has it ever.
And then, among all the living things, the Creator planted another kind of life that was made “in Our image, in Our likeness” (Gen. 1:26 ). Not just life, but self-conscious life, came into being. This life that came from Jesus the Creator remains deeply rooted in Him. Our very awareness that we are different from all other living creatures is another wordless testimony to the existence of the God whose likeness we bear. Jesus gave us life itself, and by that life He expressed God to us.
In light (John 1:5). This final term introduces one other way in which God has expressed Himself through the preincarnate work of Jesus. In John’s writings the terms light and darkness are often moral terms. Light represents moral purity, holiness, righteousness, good. In contrast, darkness as a moral term represents evil, all those warped and twisted ways in which sin had perverted the good in man, and brought pain to individuals and society. “The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood [or, extinguished] it.”
The moral light is one of the most powerful and pervasive evidences of God’s existence. Paul described pagans who have never known God’s Old Testament revelation of morality, yet they “show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them” (Rom. 2:15 ). There is a moral awareness planted deep in the personality of every person. Different societies may develop different rules to govern, for instance, sexual behavior. These rules may be glaringly different from the pattern set in Scripture. Still, in every culture, there is the awareness that sexual behavior is a moral issue, and that no individual can simply have any other person he or she wants, at any time or in any way.
The deep-seated conviction that there is a moral order to things is present in every human society. But society is in darkness; even though some sense of moral order and rightness exists, people in every society choose to do what they themselves believe is wrong. So conscience struggles, and individuals accuse themselves (or perhaps try to excuse as “adult” behavior they know is wrong).
Moral awareness in a world running madly after darkness is another testimony to us that light comes from the preexistent Word. Light, like creation and life itself, shouts out the presence of God behind the world we see.
Then, finally, the Word took unique expression in space and time. “The Word became flesh and lived for a while among us. We have seen His glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth” (John 1:14 ).

Grace and Truth: John 1:6-18
A totally new level of communication begins with the Incarnation. We catch a glimpse of this fact in the ministry of John the Baptist. John, the Bible says, was sent “to testify concerning that light.”
What a strange expression. John was sent to identify the light! Why? What was there about Jesus as the Light that demanded identification? When we examine the Baptist’s message in the other Gospels, we see that John focused his preaching on twin ideas: (1) the promised King of Old Testament prophecy was about to appear, and (2) His coming demanded a moral renewal.
John rebuked sin in ruler and common man alike. His tongue lashed the religious. “You brood of vipers!” he cried scornfully. “Produce fruit in keeping with repentance” (Luke 3:7-8 ).
The Baptist’s prescriptions were clear, simple reflections of Old Testament Law. “The man with two tunics should share with him who has none, and the one who has food should do the same,” John told the people. “Don’t collect … more [taxes] than you are required to,” John told the tax collectors. “Don’t extort money and don’t accuse people falsely—be content with your pay,” John told the soldiers (vv. 11-14 ).
The moral light shed in the Old Testament shone through the Baptist’s message. His words pointing to the Person about to appear promised a kingdom in which moral light would not be lost in the darkness, but instead, darkness would be exiled by light. “The true Light,” the Gospel writer said, “was coming into the world.” And John the Baptist’s mission was to make it clear to all that that Man is the Light.
But still, why? Why must John announce Jesus? Why did a people who already had the light of the written Law need to have light—an expression of true morality and reality—identified for them? The Gospel writer explained it to us with another term: grace. When the Word became flesh, we were given new light—a revelation that the divine morality is “grace and truth.”
Law. It is important to understand that all revelations of God before Jesus came were true, but incomplete. Creation spoke of God’s existence and power, but not of His essential character. Life testified to God’s personhood, but told nothing of His deepest emotions or plans. Light, as awareness of morality, reflected God’s holiness, but somehow His heart remained hidden. Even the Law of the Old Testament, which defined holiness and morality more fully and gave a glimpse of God as One who cares about people, still did not communicate God’s heart.
There were still some questions left unanswered. What does God truly want with us? How does He react when we fail to meet His standards? “In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days He has spoken to us by His Son.” It is the Son who is “the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of His being” (Heb. 1:1-3 ). In Jesus, the Word is spoken! And what do we hear when the final revelation comes? “Law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ” (John 1:17 ). In Jesus we see a morality that goes beyond law and can only be identified as grace.
How is grace portrayed in verses 9-13 of this chapter? The Creator entered the world He had made. He came to His own people, to whom He had given life. But His own people would not receive Him. He was rejected, scorned, and ultimately crucified. In spite of this, He reached out to individuals who would receive Him, and He gave them the right to become the children of God.
The human race did not seek out a family relationship with God. The reaching out was God’s, and His alone. In spite of mankind’s failure, God drew men and women to Himself and lifted them up, adopting them as His children and heirs. In this act of pure grace, a glorious light bursts into history. In Jesus Christ, the eternal Word, we discover that God’s ultimate morality is one of love and of grace.
At first it is hard to realize that the God who spoke in the past is the same God unveiled in Jesus. We had never grasped the full extent of His glory. But John the Baptist was a witness to that light, and testified that He is the same. The splendor of God seen in the Son goes so far beyond the glimpses of glory that shine through the Law. Now, we must learn to live in grace’s new relationship with the Lord, so that we can share His glory.
And so the theme of Jesus, the Living Word, unveiling God, dominates the Gospel of John. Jesus, full of grace and truth, unveiled now the relationship which God the Father had always yearned to have with humankind. And we, as His sons and daughters, must learn a way of life guided by the splendor of grace rather than by the flickering candle of Law.
For this, we must know Jesus. We must see Jesus as He is, God’s ultimate Word of revelation. We must hear His Word, come to understand, and believe in Him. When we trust ourselves to Jesus, forever, and daily, we will learn what it means to “have eternal life in Him.”

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« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2013, 11:33:50 am »
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THE DEITY OF JESUS - John 1:1-18


The Gospel of John speaks more clearly than any other of the deity of Christ. There can be no doubt: the Bible does teach that Jesus of Nazareth was fully God as well as truly man.
This teaching does not, of course, rest only on what we find in John’s Gospel. There are many other passages that affirm Jesus’ deity. Among the most powerful are:
Colossians 1:15-20. Jesus who expresses the invisible God was Himself the Creator of all things, and has priority over all.
Hebrews 1:1-13. Jesus is the “exact representation” of God’s being, and sustains all things by His own powerful word. He is, as God, above all created beings, including the angels who are so superior to mortal man.
Philippians 2:5-11. Jesus, though “in very nature God” voluntarily surrendered the prerogatives of Deity to become a true human being. Now that He has been resurrected He has been exalted again, and in the future every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.
It is this Jesus, God from before the beginning, whom John wants to show us in his Gospel. And from this Gospel John wants to teach us how to respond, from the heart, to Him as Saviour and Lord.
GRACE.
“Grace” reveals both God and man. It shows human beings as helpless, trapped in sin. And it shows God willing and able to meet our deepest needs.

Eternity Unveiled: John 1:1-5
With the first words of the Gospel of John we see that John’s task is to unveil. The other Gospels begin with the birth of Jesus or with an account of His human ancestry. Matthew and Luke emphasized that a man, a human being, was actually born in the normal way to a young woman named Mary in the ancient land of Judea at the time Herod the Great was living out his last days. John, on the other hand, tells us immediately the Child born then was the eternal God! His origin was not at His physical conception, but, as Micah said, his “origins are from of old, from ancient times” (Micah 5:2 ). And Isaiah called Him “Mighty God, Everlasting Father” (Isa. 9:6 ).
John’s way of taking us back to eternity was to identify Jesus as “the Word” who was “in the beginning.” Moreover, this Word “was with God, and the Word was God.” Finally John said plainly that “the Word became flesh and lived for a while among us” (John 1:14 ).
The Word. The Bible gives many titles or names to Jesus. When He is called “the Word,” we are reminded of His role in the Godhead from the very beginning. Human speech has the capacity to unveil thoughts, feelings, and emotions; to reveal the person behind the words. Jesus is God expressing Himself through Jesus.
When Philip asked Jesus to show the disciples the Father, Christ answered in gentle rebuke. “Anyone who has seen Me has seen the Father” (14:9). Another time Jesus explained to His disciples, “No one knows who the Father is except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal Him” (Luke 10:22 ).
This title, “the Word,” teaches that Jesus is now, and always has been, the One through whom God expresses Himself. But how did God express Himself in history past, even before the Incarnation? Obviously God was known before Jesus’ birth.
In Creation (John 1:3). Paul wrote that “what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the Creation of the world God’s invisible qualities … have been clearly seen” (Rom. 1:19-20 ). The material universe itself speaks of a Maker, loudly shouting His handiwork:
Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they display knowledge. There is no speech or language where their voice is not heard. Their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world.
Psalm 19:2-4
This Word of Creation is the word of Jesus before the Incarnation. “Through Him all things were made,” John said. “Without Him nothing was made that has been made.” From the very beginning Jesus has expressed God to humankind.
In life (John 1:4). But it was not just in the creation of inanimate matter that Jesus communicated God. On the spinning sphere hung in the emptiness of space, the Creator placed living creatures. These living creatures are different from dead matter; they moved, ate, responded to stimuli, and reproduced themselves. The creation of life was a voice testifying to God.
Only One who was a living Being Himself could be the source of other life. Dead matter does not generate life now, nor has it ever.
And then, among all the living things, the Creator planted another kind of life that was made “in Our image, in Our likeness” (Gen. 1:26 ). Not just life, but self-conscious life, came into being. This life that came from Jesus the Creator remains deeply rooted in Him. Our very awareness that we are different from all other living creatures is another wordless testimony to the existence of the God whose likeness we bear. Jesus gave us life itself, and by that life He expressed God to us.
In light (John 1:5). This final term introduces one other way in which God has expressed Himself through the preincarnate work of Jesus. In John’s writings the terms light and darkness are often moral terms. led lights represents moral purity, holiness, righteousness, good. In contrast, darkness as a moral term represents evil, all those warped and twisted ways in which sin had perverted the good in man, and brought pain to individuals and society. “The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood [or, extinguished] it.”
The moral light is one of the most powerful and pervasive evidences of God’s existence. Paul described pagans who have never known God’s Old Testament revelation of morality, yet they “show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them” (Rom. 2:15 ). There is a moral awareness planted deep in the personality of every person. Different societies may develop different rules to govern, for instance, sexual behavior. These rules may be glaringly different from the pattern set in Scripture. Still, in every culture, there is the awareness that sexual behavior is a moral issue, and that no individual can simply have any other person he or she wants, at any time or in any way.
The deep-seated conviction that there is a moral order to things is present in every human society. But society is in darkness; even though some sense of moral order and rightness exists, people in every society choose to do what they themselves believe is wrong. So conscience struggles, and individuals accuse themselves (or perhaps try to excuse as “adult” behavior they know is wrong).
Moral awareness in a world running madly after darkness is another testimony to us that light comes from the preexistent Word. Light, like creation and life itself, shouts out the presence of God behind the world we see.
Then, finally, the Word took unique expression in space and time. “The Word became flesh and lived for a while among us. We have seen His glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth” (John 1:14 ).

Grace and Truth: John 1:6-18
A totally new level of communication begins with the Incarnation. We catch a glimpse of this fact in the ministry of John the Baptist. John, the Bible says, was sent “to testify concerning that light.”
What a strange expression. John was sent to identify the light! Why? What was there about Jesus as the Light that demanded identification? When we examine the Baptist’s message in the other Gospels, we see that John focused his preaching on twin ideas: (1) the promised King of Old Testament prophecy was about to appear, and (2) His coming demanded a moral renewal.
John rebuked sin in ruler and common man alike. His tongue lashed the religious. “You brood of vipers!” he cried scornfully. “Produce fruit in keeping with repentance” (Luke 3:7-8 ).
The Baptist’s prescriptions were clear, simple reflections of Old Testament Law. “The man with two tunics should share with him who has none, and the one who has food should do the same,” John told the people. “Don’t collect … more [taxes] than you are required to,” John told the tax collectors. “Don’t extort money and don’t accuse people falsely—be content with your pay,” John told the soldiers (vv. 11-14 ).
The moral light shed in the Old Testament shone through the Baptist’s message. His words pointing to the Person about to appear promised a kingdom in which moral light would not be lost in the darkness, but instead, darkness would be exiled by light. “The true Light,” the Gospel writer said, “was coming into the world.” And John the Baptist’s mission was to make it clear to all that that Man is the Light.
But still, why? Why must John announce Jesus? Why did a people who already had the light of the written Law need to have light—an expression of true morality and reality—identified for them? The Gospel writer explained it to us with another term: grace. When the Word became flesh, we were given new light—a revelation that the divine morality is “grace and truth.”
Law. It is important to understand that all revelations of God before Jesus came were true, but incomplete. Creation spoke of God’s existence and power, but not of His essential character. Life testified to God’s personhood, but told nothing of His deepest emotions or plans. Light, as awareness of morality, reflected God’s holiness, but somehow His heart remained hidden. Even the Law of the Old Testament, which defined holiness and morality more fully and gave a glimpse of God as One who cares about people, still did not communicate God’s heart.
There were still some questions left unanswered. What does God truly want with us? How does He react when we fail to meet His standards? “In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days He has spoken to us by His Son.” It is the Son who is “the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of His being” (Heb. 1:1-3 ). In Jesus, the Word is spoken! And what do we hear when the final revelation comes? “Law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ” (John 1:17 ). In Jesus we see a morality that goes beyond law and can only be identified as grace.
How is grace portrayed in verses 9-13 of this chapter? The Creator entered the world He had made. He came to His own people, to whom He had given life. But His own people would not receive Him. He was rejected, scorned, and ultimately crucified. In spite of this, He reached out to individuals who would receive Him, and He gave them the right to become the children of God.
The human race did not seek out a family relationship with God. The reaching out was God’s, and His alone. In spite of mankind’s failure, God drew men and women to Himself and lifted them up, adopting them as His children and heirs. In this act of pure grace, a glorious light bursts into history. In Jesus Christ, the eternal Word, we discover that God’s ultimate morality is one of love and of grace.
At first it is hard to realize that the God who spoke in the past is the same God unveiled in Jesus. We had never grasped the full extent of His glory. But John the Baptist was a witness to that light, and testified that He is the same. The splendor of God seen in the Son goes so far beyond the glimpses of glory that shine through the Law. Now, we must learn to live in grace’s new relationship with the Lord, so that we can share His glory.
And so the theme of Jesus, the Living Word, unveiling God, dominates the Gospel of John. Jesus, full of grace and truth, unveiled now the relationship which God the Father had always yearned to have with humankind. And we, as His sons and daughters, must learn a way of life guided by the splendor of grace rather than by the flickering candle of Law.
For this, we must know Jesus. We must see Jesus as He is, God’s ultimate Word of revelation. We must hear His Word, come to understand, and believe in Him. When we trust ourselves to Jesus, forever, and daily, we will learn what it means to “have eternal life in Him.”


Thanks for sharing information.. We need to follow path of Jesus to make the world a better place

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Thanks for sharing information.. We need to follow path of Jesus to make the world a better place

Hello Ted

I have to admit that I follow Jesus not for this world but for my place in the next world. This world will never be a better place until Satan is removed, and Christ returns.

Nice to meet you Ted
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« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2014, 06:29:38 pm »
I would argue that without the deity of Christ there is no possible salvation available to mankind. If Christ is just a good man, or a prophet from God, then how can his death atone for the sins of the world?

There are those of course who believe that Christ is a God but not God the father. This causes great conflict with the Scriptures claim that there is only one God that is the Savior.

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« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2014, 05:58:40 pm »
A very interesting statement you have presented here, especially as the Bible informs us of quite the opposite. This also makes complete sense when we consider that if Adam had not transgressed in the Garden of Eden, he would still be alive on earth today and Jesus would not exist!

Why? Because the provision of a Messianic Liberator was an addition to Almighty God’s original plan. Also, if anyone or anything was ‘equal’ to Almighty God; then he would cease to be Almighty; which means ‘without equal’!

So yes, Jesus was created, how do we know?  “He is the [character] image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;” (Colossians 1:15)

Jesus was originally the Word and therefore we are informed: “So the Word became flesh (Jesus) and resided among us.” (John 1:14)

Also, if Jesus had been immortal [indestructible]; he could never have died at his execution. He would still be there!

Almighty God by means of his only-begotten Son the Word used God’s active force [The Holy Spirit] to create man. The Holy Spirit is the instrument which is used to perform all things according to God’s Will, it does not speak; neither has it a mind of its own. Even at the baptism of Jesus, it descended in the form of a dove to perform the anointing; but it was God’s voice from heaven which announced this.                                                                                                                                                     

Now before the Word was created, he was nonexistent, nothing! Then in the same way that the Word created all other things including the angelic ones, Almighty God used the same substance to create the Word.

The understanding of this is found in a parable by Jesus, showing how the miracle of producing from nothing by God is possible; is found in the following scripture: “…taking up what I did not lay down, and reaping what I did not sow!” (Luke 19:22)YLT
 
Due to the fact that the Word was created personally by Almighty God, he therefore receives the designation ‘only-begotten’ due to the fact that after this all other things in creation were created through him and for him. He even came to be beside his Father as a master worker. (Colossians 1:15, 16; Proverbs 8:22, 30)

When Jesus during his short period on earth, was executed; like Adam he too became nothing! Therefore God personally by his own hands re-created him but this time as an immortal spirit creature. This is why later, the Apostle Paul refers to all the anointed who were originally human; would like Jesus, die in the flesh and become nothing until the appointed time when by the power of the Holy Spirit they too would become a new creation like him. (Galatians 6:15)

Now in the case of Mary, the Word did not have to die and become nothing for this to take place, instead as a ‘seed’ he was planted into her womb by means of the Holy Spirit. Therefore no personal birth [only begotten] as a new creation took place. He was ‘only-begotten’ twice.

Jesus was not an uncommon name in Biblical history. It is a Latin form of the Greek "Iesous" and corresponds to the Hebrew Yeshua or Yhohshua which means "Salvation of Jehovah."(17)

Jesus in his capacity on earth was indeed a man [human], he certainly did not have a dual capacity because that would have made him a 'god-man' which is actually a hybrid and therefore abhorrent to Almighty God. Simon bore witness to this when asked by Jesus who he was replied: "You are the Christ, the Son of God." (Matthew 16:16) Not 'God the Son!' thereby defining that he was no part of a Trinity.

As for his being the 'first', he was the 'first' in two instances; the first-born of creation (Colossians 1:15) and the first-born from the dead. (Colossians 1:18)

He is also the Al'pha and the O.me'ga, the first and the last, the beginning and the end of all things pertaining to creation. (Revelation 22:13) Almighty God however is from everlasting to everlasting. (Psalm 90:2) Therefore he has no beginning and no end.

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Re: THE DEITY OF JESUS - John 1:1-18
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2014, 06:24:23 pm »
A very interesting statement you have presented here, especially as the Bible informs us of quite the opposite. This also makes complete sense when we consider that if Adam had not transgressed in the Garden of Eden, he would still be alive on earth today and Jesus would not exist!

Why? Because the provision of a Messianic Liberator was an addition to Almighty God’s original plan. Also, if anyone or anything was ‘equal’ to Almighty God; then he would cease to be Almighty; which means ‘without equal’!

So yes, Jesus was created, how do we know?  “He is the [character] image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;” (Colossians 1:15)

Jesus was originally the Word and therefore we are informed: “So the Word became flesh (Jesus) and resided among us.” (John 1:14)

Also, if Jesus had been immortal [indestructible]; he could never have died at his execution. He would still be there!

Almighty God by means of his only-begotten Son the Word used God’s active force [The Holy Spirit] to create man. The Holy Spirit is the instrument which is used to perform all things according to God’s Will, it does not speak; neither has it a mind of its own. Even at the baptism of Jesus, it descended in the form of a dove to perform the anointing; but it was God’s voice from heaven which announced this.                                                                                                                                                     

Now before the Word was created, he was nonexistent, nothing! Then in the same way that the Word created all other things including the angelic ones, Almighty God used the same substance to create the Word.

The understanding of this is found in a parable by Jesus, showing how the miracle of producing from nothing by God is possible; is found in the following scripture: “…taking up what I did not lay down, and reaping what I did not sow!” (Luke 19:22)YLT
 
Due to the fact that the Word was created personally by Almighty God, he therefore receives the designation ‘only-begotten’ due to the fact that after this all other things in creation were created through him and for him. He even came to be beside his Father as a master worker. (Colossians 1:15, 16; Proverbs 8:22, 30)

When Jesus during his short period on earth, was executed; like Adam he too became nothing! Therefore God personally by his own hands re-created him but this time as an immortal spirit creature. This is why later, the Apostle Paul refers to all the anointed who were originally human; would like Jesus, die in the flesh and become nothing until the appointed time when by the power of the Holy Spirit they too would become a new creation like him. (Galatians 6:15)

Now in the case of Mary, the Word did not have to die and become nothing for this to take place, instead as a ‘seed’ he was planted into her womb by means of the Holy Spirit. Therefore no personal birth [only begotten] as a new creation took place. He was ‘only-begotten’ twice.

Jesus was not an uncommon name in Biblical history. It is a Latin form of the Greek "Iesous" and corresponds to the Hebrew Yeshua or Yhohshua which means "Salvation of Jehovah."(17)

Jesus in his capacity on earth was indeed a man [human], he certainly did not have a dual capacity because that would have made him a 'god-man' which is actually a hybrid and therefore abhorrent to Almighty God. Simon bore witness to this when asked by Jesus who he was replied: "You are the Christ, the Son of God." (Matthew 16:16) Not 'God the Son!' thereby defining that he was no part of a Trinity.

As for his being the 'first', he was the 'first' in two instances; the first-born of creation (Colossians 1:15) and the first-born from the dead. (Colossians 1:18)

He is also the Al'pha and the O.me'ga, the first and the last, the beginning and the end of all things pertaining to creation. (Revelation 22:13) Almighty God however is from everlasting to everlasting. (Psalm 90:2) Therefore he has no beginning and no end.

Yours in Truth,

Alexander

Hello Alex,

Your talking in circles, either Christ existed before Adam or he didn't.

John 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. 2  This one was in the beginning with God. 3  All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence.
What has come into existence 4  by means of him was life, and the life was the light of men. (NWT)

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Re: THE DEITY OF JESUS - John 1:1-18
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2014, 07:33:14 pm »
Hello Zant Law,

Thank you for your comment, no there is no discrepancy here; as you say, the Word was the first-born of all creation and that has never altered. If Adam had not transgressed in the Garden of Eden, all would have remained as then.

However, due to Satan’s iniquity a Liberator had to be provided to reverse this situation in Eden and remove Adamic death; death without a resurrection. So as we are informed: “So the Word became flesh and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory, a glory such as belongs to an only-begotten son from a father; and he was full of grace and truth.” This is why Jesus stated: “Before Abraham, I was.”

Later after his raising up as an immortal spirit [the first-born from the dead] he was therefore ‘begotten once again’ having received a status which he had never had before. Later, as God’s champion Michael; he cast Satan and his angels out of heaven as prophesied. (Revelation 12:7-12)

Again as you say: “In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with Almighty God and the Word was a Mighty God.”

The Word was the first-born of all creation, in its capacity as a man it first became Jesus Immanuel [God is for us] and thirty years later became Jesus Messiah [Christ] right on time at the end of the 69th week of years as prophesied in Daniel 9:24-27.

So the Word existed before Adam but Jesus did not become himself or the Christ until his birth and baptism. If Adam had no transgressed, he would have remained the Word.

Yours in Truth,

Alexander

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Re: THE DEITY OF JESUS - John 1:1-18
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2014, 09:29:06 am »
Hello Zant Law,

Thank you for your comment, no there is no discrepancy here; as you say, the Word was the first-born of all creation and that has never altered. If Adam had not transgressed in the Garden of Eden, all would have remained as then.

However, due to Satan’s iniquity a Liberator had to be provided to reverse this situation in Eden and remove Adamic death; death without a resurrection. So as we are informed: “So the Word became flesh and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory, a glory such as belongs to an only-begotten son from a father; and he was full of grace and truth.” This is why Jesus stated: “Before Abraham, I was.”

Later after his raising up as an immortal spirit [the first-born from the dead] he was therefore ‘begotten once again’ having received a status which he had never had before. Later, as God’s champion Michael; he cast Satan and his angels out of heaven as prophesied. (Revelation 12:7-12)

Again as you say: “In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with Almighty God and the Word was a Mighty God.”

The Word was the first-born of all creation, in its capacity as a man it first became Jesus Immanuel [God is for us] and thirty years later became Jesus Messiah [Christ] right on time at the end of the 69th week of years as prophesied in Daniel 9:24-27.

So the Word existed before Adam but Jesus did not become himself or the Christ until his birth and baptism. If Adam had no transgressed, he would have remained the Word.

Yours in Truth,

Alexander

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This also makes complete sense when we consider that if Adam had not transgressed in the Garden of Eden, he would still be alive on earth today and Jesus would not exist!

So your argument with Law is about is that there would be no need for a Messiah not that Jesus (also called the Word by John) would have ever existed?

If Jesus was not immortal then there is no eternal life for you. Death is not the end of your existence, this is the message from the Resurrection.

JB

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Re: THE DEITY OF JESUS - John 1:1-18
« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2014, 05:35:05 pm »
Hello JB,

Sorry, you have grasped the wrong end of the issue; if Adam had not transgressed, a Messiah and Liberator would never have been needed to put right an iniquity which would never have happened.

However, as it did happen, then a Messiah in the form of a perfect man had to be provided. A perfect life for a perfect life, in other words a corresponding ransom to reverse the penalty of death without a resurrection for the whole of mankind.

Zant Law however, because of this statement seemed to have got the impression that I was inferring that if Jesus [the man] had not existed previously, so how did I account for the fact that Jesus stated that before Abraham, he had already existed.

The answer ia simply that the same creature did exist, but in his original form of the Word; the firstborn of all creation. The scriptures tell us plainly: “So the Word became flesh and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory, a glory such as belongs to an only-begotten son from a father; and he was full of grace and truth.” (John 1:14)

The interesting thing is that Word who is the only-begotten Son of Almighty God, although existing as a spirit creature; was not immortal. The scriptures inform us that  originally Almighty God was the one alone having immortality.

It was only after his death and resurrection that as a reward, Jesus was raised up as an immortal spirit creature by Almighty God who creating him as this; means that he was ‘begotten’ twice!

As for everlasting life, this was always the God’s purpose for the human race on earth; so by means of Christ’s ransom sacrifice the angel of Adamic death ‘passed over’ “Christ our passover has been sacrificed.” (1 Corinthians 5:7) the human race and opened up the opportunity of a ‘second chance’ for this by way of a resurrection for both the righteous and the unrighteous (Acts 24:15) during the Sabbath Millennium of the Christ. (Revelation 20:6)

The only ones who go to heaven are the heavenly anointed ‘little flock’ of whom Jesus said: “Fear not little flock, the kingdom of the heavens belongs to you.” (Luke 12:32) All the rest of resurrected mankind will be given a second opportunity of everlasting life on the earth as perfect humans, or if they still choose to serve Satan, the ‘second death’. (Revelation 21:8)

This is the Bible in a ‘nut-shell’!

Yours in truth,

Alexander