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The Biblical teaching of the pre-trib rapture of the Church

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macuser:

--- Quote from: Iconoclast on July 12, 2018, 02:25:31 pm ---It looks like Jesus spoke plainly of the last day.....no one mentions any church age....especially as He was speaking about the Kingdom....not any church age.....Israel was not rejected yet
Do you think it is ok to add to scripture, my friend?
When you do....you no longer have the word of God....but your own words

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You're not very clear in your writing, are you saying that Christ will raise all of his elect on the last day of the kingdom? And when you say kingdom are you talking about the millennium? Do you think it is wise to make up Scripture? I suggest you spend more time studying John 6 less time writing about it.

biblebuf:

--- Quote from: Iconoclast on July 12, 2018, 02:25:31 pm ---It looks like Jesus spoke plainly of the last day.....no one mentions any church age....especially as He was speaking about the Kingdom....not any church age.....Israel was not rejected yet
Do you think it is ok to add to scripture, my friend?
When you do....you no longer have the word of God....but your own words

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--- Quote from:  before the millennium ---1 Thessalonians 4:13. But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope.
14. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus.
15. For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep.
16. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of [the] archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
17. Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.
18. Therefore comfort one another with these words.

1 Corinthians 15:50 Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.
51. Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed,
52. in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.

Ephesians 1:22  And He put all things in subjection under His feet, and gave Him as head over all things to the church,
23. which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.

Matthew 24:29  'And immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from the heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken;
30. and then shall appear the sign of the Son of Man in the heaven; and then shall all the tribes of the earth smite the breast, and they shall see the Son of Man coming upon the clouds of the heaven, with power and much glory;
31. and he shall send his messengers with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his chosen from the four winds, from the ends of the heavens unto the ends thereof.
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--- Quote from:  the church returns with Christ ---

Revelation 19
1. And after these things I heard a great voice of a great multitude in the heaven, saying, 'Alleluia! the salvation, and the glory, and the honour, and the power, [is] to the Lord our God;
2. because true and righteous [are] His judgments, because He did judge the great whore who did corrupt the earth in her whoredom, and He did avenge the blood of His servants at her hand;'
3. and a second time they said, 'Alleluia;' and her smoke doth come up -- to the ages of the ages!
4. And fall down did the elders -- the twenty and four -- and the four living creatures, and they did bow before God who is sitting upon the throne, saying, 'Amen, Alleluia.'
5. And a voice out of the throne did come forth, saying, 'Praise our God, all ye His servants, and those fearing Him, both the small and the great;'
6. and I heard as the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, 'Alleluia! because reign did the Lord God -- the Almighty!
7. may we rejoice and exult, and give the glory to Him, because come did the marriage of the Lamb, and his wife did make herself ready;
8. and there was given to her that she may be arrayed with fine linen, pure and shining, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.'
9. And he saith to me, 'Write: Happy [are] they who to the supper of the marriage of the Lamb have been called;' and he saith to me, 'These [are] the true words of God;'
10. and I fell before his feet, to bow before him, and he saith to me, 'See -- not! fellow servant of thee am I, and of thy brethren, those having the testimony of Jesus; bow before God, for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of the prophecy.'
11. And I saw the heaven having been opened, and lo, a white horse, and he who is sitting upon it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness doth he judge and war,
12. and his eyes [are] as a flame of fire, and upon his head [are] many diadems -- having a name written that no one hath known, except himself,
13. and he is arrayed with a garment covered with blood, and his name is called, The Word of God.
14. And the armies in the heaven were following him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen -- white and pure;
15. and out of his mouth doth proceed a sharp sword, that with it he may smite the nations, and he shall rule them with a rod of iron, and he doth tread the press of the wine of the wrath and the anger of God the Almighty,
16. and he hath upon the garment and upon his thigh the name written, 'King of kings, and Lord of lords.'
17. And I saw one messenger standing in the sun, and he cried, a great voice, saying to all the birds that are flying in mid-heaven, 'Come and be gathered together to the supper of the great God,
18. that ye may eat flesh of kings, and flesh of chiefs of thousands, and flesh of strong men, and flesh of horses, and of those sitting on them, and the flesh of all -- freemen and servants -- both small and great.'
19. And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, having been gathered together to make war with him who is sitting upon the horse, and with his army;
20. and the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet who did the signs before him, in which he led astray those who did receive the mark of the beast, and those who did bow before his image; living they were cast -- the two -- to the lake of the fire, that is burning with brimstone;
21. and the rest were killed with the sword of him who is sitting on the horse, which [sword] is proceeding out of his mouth, and all the birds were filled out of their flesh.

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--- Quote from: you say the last day? ---Revelation 20
1. And I saw a messenger coming down out of the heaven, having the key of the abyss, and a great chain over his hand,
2. and he laid hold on the dragon, the old serpent, who is Devil and Adversary, and did bind him a thousand years,
3. and he cast him to the abyss, and did shut him up, and put a seal upon him, that he may not lead astray the nations any more, till the thousand years may be finished; and after these it behoveth him to be loosed a little time.
4. And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given to them, and the souls of those who have been beheaded because of the testimony of Jesus, and because of the word of God, and who did not bow before the beast, nor his image, and did not receive the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand, and they did live and reign with Christ the thousand years;
5. and the rest of the dead did not live again till the thousand years may be finished; this [is] the first rising again.
6. Happy and holy [is] he who is having part in the first rising again; over these the second death hath not authority, but they shall be priests of God and of the Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7. And when the thousand years may be finished, the Adversary shall be loosed out of his prison,
8. and he shall go forth to lead the nations astray, that are in the four corners of the earth -- Gog and Magog -- to gather them together to war, of whom the number [is] as the sand of the sea;
9. and they did go up over the breadth of the land, and did surround the camp of the saints, and the beloved city, and there came down fire from God out of the heaven, and devoured them;
10. and the Devil, who is leading them astray, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where [are] the beast and the false prophet, and they shall be tormented day and night -- to the ages of the ages.
11. And I saw a great white throne, and Him who is sitting upon it, from whose face the earth and the heaven did flee away, and place was not found for them;
12. and I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and scrolls were opened, and another scroll was opened, which is that of the life, and the dead were judged out of the things written in the scrolls -- according to their works;
13. and the sea did give up those dead in it, and the death and the hades did give up the dead in them, and they were judged, each one according to their works;
14. and the death and the hades were cast to the lake of the fire -- this [is] the second death;
15. and if any one was not found written in the scroll of the life, he was cast to the lake of the fire.

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Looks like to me that the last day is Judgement! Are you going to be judged according to your works?

Not me, "If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also.

Iconoclast:
I did not say the last day. Jesus did. I believe Him.

Iconoclast:

--- Quote from: macuser on July 12, 2018, 04:59:30 pm ---You're not very clear in your writing, are you saying that Christ will raise all of his elect on the last day of the kingdom? And when you say kingdom are you talking about the millennium? Do you think it is wise to make up Scripture? I suggest you spend more time studying John 6 less time writing about it.

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Yes...I was very clear. Yes, all will be raised on the last day.
The Kingdom is now. I did not make up scripture....I just believe it as written as you should.

macuser:

--- Quote from: Iconoclast on July 14, 2018, 10:35:33 pm ---Yes...I was very clear. Yes, all will be raised on the last day.
The Kingdom is now. I did not make up scripture....I just believe it as written as you should.

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The Kingdom is now.

That's all I need to know. Thank you for that Iconoclast, I am going to fly to Jerusalem so I can see my Lord seated on David's throne.

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