The Times of the Gentiles

[macuser]

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Great topic Intojoy.

First of all at this time the Jews do not have total control of Jerusalem. The Jews have a presence in Jerusalem, but you could hardly say that they control it.

Second of all Luke 21:24 does not give a starting time for the times of the Gentiles fulfillment.
There is one verse in the Bible which does give us a starting time an ending time. This is found in Revelations 11:2. Very clear here Christ is telling us that this time period is the first 3 1/2 years of the tribulation, and this fits right in with Luke 21.

Now we can throw in Romans 11:25 where Paul speaks of the fullness of the Gentiles, I believe this is unrelated and talking about the gospel reaching the Gentiles, but it may be worth discussing.

So you are saying that this timeperiod begins at the rapture of the church and ends at the rapture of the two witnesses. If you just read Luke 21 it doesn't read that way, but revelations 11 it makes it clear that this time period is only 42 months. I just wonder if this time period could actually start before the rapture of the church?

[Intojoy]

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The Times of the Gentiles began with Nebuchadnezzar

[macuser]

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The Times of the Gentiles began with Nebuchadnezzar

So you are saying that Christ was living in the times of the Gentiles, and that when Christ was speaking in Luke 21:24 that he was speaking of past events? Even though He made the statement, "and they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations"?

Luke 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled .

[Zant Law]

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So you are saying that Christ was living in the times of the Gentiles, and that when Christ was speaking in Luke 21:24 that he was speaking of past events? Even though He made the statement, "and they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations"?

Luke 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled .

Mac
The NAS and HCS uses will and not shall.

20 "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then recognize that her desolation is near. 21 "Then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains, and those who are in the midst of the city must leave, and those who are in the country must not enter the city ; 22 because these are days of vengeance, so that all things which are written will be fulfilled. 23 "Woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days ; for there will be great distress upon the land and wrath to this people ; 24 and they will fall by the edge of the sword, and will be led captive into all the nations ; and Jerusalem will be trampled under foot by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. 25 "There will be signs in sun and moon and stars, and on the earth dismay among nations, in perplexity at the roaring of the sea and the waves, 26 men fainting from fear and the expectation of the things which are coming upon the world ; for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 27 "Then they will see THE SON OF MAN COMING IN A CLOUD with power and great glory. 28 "But when these things begin to take place, straighten up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near." 29 Then He told them a parable : "Behold the fig tree and all the trees ;



This is all endtimes stuff Mac. The parable of the fig tree is telling us to watch for the signs of the coming of Christ.

Law