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There will be two more temples built in Jerusalem
biblebuf:
I'll repost it for you: notice that on day one of the tribulation that the Jews are already worshiping in it.
Hello Defacto
FYI I use the NAS or HCS as a study bible.
Your post does not really address when the new Temple will be built. We know for a fact that it has to be built before the rapture, and this is indisputable.
Revelation 11:1 Then there was given me a measuring rod like a staff; and someone said, "Get up and measure the temple of God and the altar, and those who worship in it. 2 "Leave out the court which is outside the temple and do not measure it, for it has been given to the nations; and they will tread under foot the holy city for forty-two months. 3 "And I will grant authority to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for twelve hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth."
Just taking a wild guess that the outside court will be given to the Muslims for place of worship. Could this be part of the two state solution that the United Nations is so intent to impose on Israel? But there is no doubt that before the 1260 days start the Temple has already been rebuilt.
Shalom
BB
P. S. Please do not turn this into a discussion about replacement theology, that is replacing the Temple with the Church.
Defacto:
--- Quote from: biblebuf on December 29, 2016, 07:59:43 am ---I'll repost it for you: notice that on day one of the tribulation that the Jews are already worshiping in it.
Hello Defacto
FYI I use the NAS or HCS as a study bible.
Your post does not really address when the new Temple will be built. We know for a fact that it has to be built before the rapture, and this is indisputable.
Revelation 11:1 Then there was given me a measuring rod like a staff; and someone said, "Get up and measure the temple of God and the altar, and those who worship in it. 2 "Leave out the court which is outside the temple and do not measure it, for it has been given to the nations; and they will tread under foot the holy city for forty-two months. 3 "And I will grant authority to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for twelve hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth."
Just taking a wild guess that the outside court will be given to the Muslims for place of worship. Could this be part of the two state solution that the United Nations is so intent to impose on Israel? But there is no doubt that before the 1260 days start the Temple has already been rebuilt.
Shalom
BB
P. S. Please do not turn this into a discussion about replacement theology, that is replacing the Temple with the Church.
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Greetings biblebuf,
I have answered your above post once before. There is no way the tribulation temple will be built before the "he" ;Antichrist] of Dan.9:27 confirms the seven year covenant,with many, The following documentation will reveal to you from the Scriptures, the rapture of the Church will take place BEFORE the man of lawlessness, i.e. the Antichrist, is revealed. Carefully review 2 Thess.2:3 and 7-8 that confirm it.
2 Thess.2:1-8: The precise timing of the rapture of the Church:
"Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to Him, we ask you, brothers, not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by some prophecy, report or letter supposed to have come from us, saying that the Day of the Lord [The 70th and final Week/seven year tribulation of Dan.9:27] has already come." 2 Thes.2:1-2. Which is a direct reference to 1 Thes.4:17 and the theme of Paul's entire pre-trib rapture message in 2 Thes.2:1-8. When we will be CAUGHT UP TOGETHER WITH THEM IN THE CLOUDS TO MEET THE LORD IN THE AIR. [Parenthetics mine].
The "Day of the Lord" Paul refers to in vs 2, alludes to Dan.9:27, when God will intervene into the affairs of man for the last time, culminating in the second coming of Jesus to the earth. In that passage of Scripture, the Day of the Lord is triggered by the "he" who "confirms a covenant [An agreement] for one Week" [The Day of the Lord/ 70th and final Week/seven year tribulation], who is the antichrist. The second, and same "he," who stops Israel from the offerings and sacrificing in the temple of God, and the third, and same "he," who breaks his covenant in the middle of the Week [After 3.5 of the 7 year total], and sets up the abomination of desolation Jesus referred to in Mt.24:15, in His Olivet Discourse, about the sign of His second coming, and of the end of the age.
In verse 3: "Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that Day [The Day of the Lord, the 70th and final Week, the seven year tribulation] will not come, until the "apostasia" [Greek term in which the original translation was "to depart," or "departure," meaning, the rapture of the Church] occurs and the man of lawlessness [The antichrist, and all three of the "he's" in Dan.9:27] is revealed [Who triggers the Day of the Lord/ the 70th and final Week/ the seven year tribulation], the man doomed to destruction." Which reveals the "apostasia" [Departure] will take place before the antichrist is revealed, who triggers the 70th Week/seven year tribulation. Confirmed in verses 7 and 8 below.
Translation History of apostasia and discessio: By Thomas Ice, PhD.
The first seven English translations of apostasia all rendered the noun as either " departure" or " departing." They are as follows: Wycliffe Bible (1384); Tyndale Bible (1526); Coverdale Bible (1535); Cranmer Bible (1539); Breeches Bible (1576); Beza Bible (1583); Geneva Bible (1608) . This supports the notion that the word truly means " departure." In fact, Jerome' s Latin translation known as the Vulgate from around the time of 325 A.D. renders apostasia with the " word discessio, meaning ' departure.' Why was the King James Version the first to depart from the established translation of "departure" in 1611 A.D.? [It is more than likely due to overzealous RCC scribes who altered the original wording of vs 3. to accommodate their teachings of Amillenialism, which rejects both the pre-trib rapture of the Church as well as Jesus Millennial reign her on earth].
Theodore Beza, the Swiss reformer was the first to transliterate apostasia and create a new word, rather than translate it as others had done. The translators of the King James Version were the first to introduce the new rendering of apostasia as " falling away." Most English translators have followed the KJV and Beza in departing from translating apostasia as " departure." No reason was ever given.
"He [The antichrist] will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God." Verse 4. [The abomination of desolation, confirming Dan.9:27 and Mt.24:15]. See also 2 Thes.2:4.
The rapture of the Church and verse 3 confirmed:
In verse 7: "For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so until he [The saints - Church] is taken out of the way."
The "he" who will be taken out of the way, is the one body of Christ, who bear the Holy Spirit within each of us [Eph.1:13-14], the Church of Jesus Christ. The very same as those who will participate in the "apostasia," the "departure," [the rapture] of the Church, in verse 3. Immediately following that:
In verse 8: "And then the lawless one [The antichrist] will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of His mouth and destroy by the splendor of His coming." Vs 8. [See Rev.19:17-21]
Blessings
Defacto.
biblebuf:
Hello Defacto
Revelation 11 starts with the last seven years of Daniel's prophecy, the last week. Note that the Temple is already in existence, as is the altar and it is occupied by worshipers.
Revelation 11:1 Then there was given me a measuring rod like a staff; and someone said, "Get up and measure the temple of God and the altar, and those who worship in it. 2 "Leave out the court which is outside the temple and do not measure it, for it has been given to the nations; and they will tread under foot the holy city for forty-two months. 3 "And I will grant authority to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for twelve hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth."
You have posted a lot of opinions and personal translation of Scripture, but the Scripture you quote does not back up anything that refutes Revelation 11. Let’s take a look at the verses you put up as evidence that Revelation 11. Here are the verses that I pulled from your post if I missed any please correct me.
Dan.9:27
In context please take the time to follow the chronological events in Daniel 9:
24 "Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to make an end of sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy place. 25 "So you are to know and discern that from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; it will be built again, with plaza and moat, even in times of distress. 26 "Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. And its end will come with a flood; even to the end there will be war; desolations are determined. 27 "And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate."
There is a big gap between the 69th week and the last week, but clearly the temple is there and being used. The covenant is for peace not a new temple.
2 Thes.2:1-8 (nothing to do with the building of the temple, the temple has already been built)
1 Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, 2 that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. 3 Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God. 5 Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling you these things? 6 And you know what restrains him now, so that in his time he will be revealed. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way. 8 Then that lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming;
1 Thes.4:17 ( not relevant )
Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.
Mt.24:15
In context:( not relevant )
15 "Therefore when you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand ), 16 then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains. 17 "Whoever is on the housetop must not go down to get the things out that are in his house. 18 "Whoever is in the field must not turn back to get his cloak. 19 "But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20 "But pray that your flight will not be in the winter, or on a Sabbath. 21 "For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will. 22 "Unless those days had been cut short, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short. 23 "Then if anyone says to you, 'Behold, here is the Christ,' or 'There He is,' do not believe him. 24 "For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect. 25 "Behold, I have told you in advance. 26 "So if they say to you, 'Behold, He is in the wilderness,' do not go out, or, 'Behold, He is in the inner rooms,' do not believe them. 27 "For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes even to the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be. 28 "Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather.
Eph.1:13-14 ( not relevant )
In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation -having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God's own possession, to the praise of His glory.
Rev.19:17-21 ( not relevant )
17 Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and he cried out with a loud voice, saying to all the birds which fly in midheaven, "Come, assemble for the great supper of God, 18 so that you may eat the flesh of kings and the flesh of commanders and the flesh of mighty men and the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them and the flesh of all men, both free men and slaves, and small and great." 19 And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies assembled to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army.
20 And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone. 21 And the rest were killed with the sword which came from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse, and all the birds were filled with their flesh.
Shalom
BB
Defacto:
Hi biblebuf,
Your expressed opinions have been noted and a cursory evaluation of it is in the major part od its failure to meet with the intended Scriptual interpretation. For one thing, no temple will be built until AFTER the "he"/Anticrist has been revealed and confirms the seven year covenant, as recorded in Dam.9:27. If Israel attempted to build their third temple before then, it would start WWIII. In the second place, the reference to the temple court in Rev.11:1-2, is the FIRST half of the seven year tribulation, not the last In the third place, there is no temple [stone building] in Israel since the detruction of their second temple [modified and enlarged by Herod the Great], since it was destroyed by the army, under general tTitus, in 70 A.D. Review the following for the proper interpretation of and how the next two temples will be built in Jerusalem.
1.http://www.templemount.org/TM34.html
ISRAEL'S FUTURE THIRD AND FOURTH TEMPLES - Temple Mount
www.templemount.org
ISRAEL'S FUTURE THIRD AND FOURTH TEMPLES. by Lambert Dolphin. The Old Testament devotes considerable attention to describing the portable tent, or tabernacle, of the ...
2. http://www.unsealed.org/2016/06/jerusalems-temples-key-to-understanding.html
Jerusalem's Temples - A Key to Understanding Bible ...
www.unsealed.org
The implications of Robert Cornuke's recent discoveries are mind boggling and a perfect revelation for our time. The Holy Spirit within me quickened to this video and
[Edit by Defacto: I do not accept Robert Comuke's view of the Millennial temple coming down from heaven. But rather, that Jesus will be its literal builder, as recorded in Zech.6:12-13 ad described in Ez.40-47.]
Defacto
biblebuf:
Hello Defacto
You can accept other peoples opinions if you like, but for me I'll stick with the Bible. Daniel 9 does not support those opinions and they do not address Revelation 11, which is clear scripture.
IHS
BB
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